Please Help Me Help My Mom To See The Stupidity Of The Blood Doctrine

by minimus 35 Replies latest jw friends

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  fullofdoubtnow

  Min, you just can't make them see it, they have to come to the conclusion themselves. Up to less than a year ago, I never left home without my blood card prominently displayed. Nowadays, if I needed blood to stay alive, I would accept it without question, but I came to that decision myself, when I decided that the wts had that and a lot of other things wrong, and left.

  I appreciate how hard it must be for you, especially if she needs surgery, but I doubt you'll convince her, she has to do that herself.
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  parakeet

  supersonic: ***Obviously that isn't the outcome in every case or no one would be dieing. People are so quick to pick faults.***
  
  When the point you're implying could put lives in jeopardy, yep, people will be quick point that out.
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  garybuss

  My mother's spent a lifetime disrespecting me. I see no point in talking to her about blood . . . or actually anything else. She's mean hearted and nasty. The Jehovah's Witnesses are more than welcome to her. They deserve each other.
  
  
  
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  barry

  Gday Min, I think a big factor in the way we think is the people around us because we a social animals we try to fit in. This is how we have a community and not anarcky. Because youre mom probably mostly mixes with other JWs those idears get reinforced. The only way is to get her away the JW influence for a while. Barry
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  blondie

  I would carefully show her that hemoglobin-based products are made from expired stored blood...blood that should have been poured out. Yet the WTS is allowing JWs to choose that as a treatment...how is that "abstaining from blood"? But you can try to "reason" with some JWs and it won't penetrate past their skull...because they want to keep it simple and uncomplicated like it used to be in the 50's.

  Blondie
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  Leolaia

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/115338/2021030/post.ashx#2021030
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  Nathan Natas

  In the past I have suggested that the JW stand on blood may be considered an act of idolatry.

  I haven't heard anyone suggest this before, so perhaps the argument is not iron clad, but here is how it goes:

  definition: idolatry is venerating the symbol in place of the reality

  Life is sacred

  Blood represents life

  JWs ritualistically protect and venerate the blood and allow the life to perish.

  A JW might argue that the blood IS life, but blood itself has few of the properties of a living organism, nor can blood administered to a dead body bring it back to life. It is a symbol in the same way that the water that David spilled on the ground was a symbol of the lives of his daring soldiers. Water is not life either.

  I'm just a simple caveman. Perhaps an expert on logic can explain the flaws in my idea.
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  TD

  I've pointed this out hundreds of times --- Once more won't hurt

  It says refrain from blood so as far as i am concernd you do that.

  This is a violation of grade school grammar. (Both in English and in Greek)

  "Refrain", "Abstain" etc negate action.

  Blood is not an action, blood is a thing.

  When words like, "Abstain" are used in connection with a thing, the thought is incomplete because the action is unspoken.

  The thought becomes complete when the audience infers the action based upon the context.

  When it comes to Acts 15:29, the only action involved is eating, because thats all the context will support.

  Q.E.D. Acts 15:29 cannot be invoked as a direct prohibition against transfusion. The very most that can be argued is that it was reiteration of the prohibitions abainst eating blood found in the Law.
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  Scully

  minimus,

  Maybe you could talk to her from the perspective of whether or not Jehovah desires human sacrifices. I've used the passages in Jeremiah 7 regarding how Judah received Jehovah's judgement based on the fact that they were offering human sacrifices.

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  Rbi8 Jeremiah 7:21-22 ***

  "This is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, has said, ‘Add those whole burnt offerings of YOURS to YOUR sacrifices and eat flesh. 22 For I did not speak with YOUR forefathers, nor did I command them in the day of my bringing them out from the land of Egypt concerning the matters of whole burnt offering and sacrifice.

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  Rbi8 Jeremiah 7:27-31 ***

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  "And you must speak to them all these words, but they will not listen to you; and you must call to them, but they will not answer you. 28 And you must say to them, ‘This is the nation whose people have not obeyed the voice of Jehovah its God, and have not taken discipline. Faithfulness has perished, and it has been cut off from their mouth.’

  29 "Shear off your uncut hair and throw [it] away, and upon the bare hills raise a dirge, for Jehovah has rejected and will desert the generation with which he is furious. 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of To´pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

  If the sacrifice of children was something that Jehovah found so repugnant and disgusting so that it caused him to destroy Judah, wouldn't he feel the same way about the sacrifice of children even now, since he is the god whose standards do not change? Would it matter if the sacrifice was a "whole burnt offering" on the altar of Molech or a death in an emergency room for lack of a blood transfusion? Either way, the people performing those sacrifices believed they were doing the right thing, but is it really what Jehovah wants?
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  gumby

  awe shucks mini, maybe you just can't teach an old dog new tricks......at her age why does she need to change her belief system? I say leave her alone with her religion and it's stupid policies and just get on with your life

  I'm with Bikermamma...let her be....even IF you have made progress with her on other issues. Talk about other issues if you want that she will agree to concerning the witnesses and build on those if you must.

  Whadya gonna do min if she did leave the witnesses at her age? Are you gonna send her to the baptist church instead where they teach Hellfire and the Trinity and see her squirm all over again. How long would it take her to undo all she has been taught... 2 years, 5 years, 10? How old is she?

  Or....you could look up Leolaia's link and share what she said with her.

  Good luck buddy

  Gumby