ebay 1875 Bible Examiner issue

by stev 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  stev

  http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1875-BIBLE-EXAMINER-WATCHTOWER-JEHOVAH-WITNESSS_W0QQitemZ7419881079QQcategoryZ2198QQcmdZViewItem

  This item has already been sold for $338 (this is just one issue!) . There is a photo of the issue, and information from the seller about Russell, Storrs, and Henry Dunn.

  Years ago, I paged all the issues of the BIble Examiner, but no library had the years from 1872-1876. So this 1875 issue is truly rare.

  The seller claims that the Russell name appeared 5 times in the Bible Examiner in the year 1875, which would prove that Russell was aware of the magazine at that time.

  Storrs perhaps represented the independent liberal wing of the post-Millerite Adventists. Storrs might have been the most prominent American proponent of conditionalism, and was networked with other conditionalists, even in England, and was acquainted with their views on other subjects. His journal tended to deal with broader, more philosophical and theological issues than other Adventist papers. Russell thoroughly absorbed the arguments for ransom and restitution, future probation, from Storrs and Dunn. It was perhaps, with conditionalism, Russell's major message to the public, and the basis for "Divine Plan of the Ages" book.

  However, Russell also followed Barbour's time movement, which Storrs disagreed with, and much of the sectarian, mathematical flavor of the Miller Movement entered Russell's movement through Barbour.

  IMO, Russell took a wrong turn when he followed Barbour.

  Russell's movement can be seen as an uneasy alliance between these two sides: the liberal/broadminded/freethinking/philosophical/theological/congregational/Storrs/ and the

  sectarian/narrow/Adventist/apocalyptic/time-proof/Millerite/Barbour side.
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  cabasilas

  Are any of Henry Dunn's works (mentioned in that ebay listing) available online anywhere?
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  cabasilas

  Thanks, stev, for posting this. This clarifies a bit of history for me. Russell was influenced by Storrs first. He didn't meet Barbour until the next year.
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  stev

  There is an excellent board on the early WT years, with information on Storrs and others.

  http://amazingforums.com/forum/HGREW/13.html
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  stev

  Here is a webpage with some information about Storrs and Dunn:

  http://www.heraldmag.org/2004_history/04history_4.htm
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  cabasilas

  Thanks, stev, for those links!

  Would you have any info on what year Dunn published "The Destiny of the Human Race"?
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  stev

  Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Liber librorum , its structure, limitations, and purpose : a friendly communication to a reluctant Sceptic.	London : Longmans, Green, 1867.
  Location: MUDD LIBRARY, Divinity Call Number: RE60 D922 Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 2 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Liber librorum [microform] : its structure, limitations, and purpose : a friendly communication to a reluctant sceptic.	New York : Charles Scribner, 1867.
  	Location: DIVINITY, Stacks Call Number: Fiche B4000 ATLA fiche 1985-1003. Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 3 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Bill or the alternative : a letter to the Right Honourable Sir James Graham / by Henry Dunn.	London : Ward, 1843.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: Lah 1 Status: No item data available
  [ 4 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Bill or the alternative [electronic resource] : a letter to the Right Honourable Sir James Graham, Bart., M.P., &c., &c. / by Henry Dunn.	London : Ward, 1843
  	Location: Yale Internet Resource Call Number: None Status: No item data available
  [ 5 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Destiny of the human race : a scriptural inquiry / by Henry Dunn.	London : Simpkin, Marshall, [1872?]
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: Mpw24 D923 Status: No item data available
  [ 6 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Destiny of the human race [microform] : a scriptural inquiry / by Henry Dunn.	London : Simpkin, Marshall, [1872?]
  	Location: DIVINITY, Stacks Call Number: Fiche B4000 ATLA fiche 1989-1870 Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 7 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Kingdom of God, or, What is the Gospel? [microform] / by Henry Dunn.	London : Simpkin, Marshall, 1868.
  	Location: DIVINITY, Stacks Call Number: Fiche B4000 ATLA fiche 1986-2664. Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 8 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Liber librorum : its structure, limitations, and purpose. A friendly communication to a reluctant sceptic.	New York, C. Scribner & co., 1867.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: WB 10113 Status: No item data available
  [ 9 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Liber librorum: its structure, limitations, and purpose. [electronic resource] A friendly communication to a reluctant sceptic.	New York, C. Scribner & co., 1867.
  	Location: Yale Internet Resource Call Number: Online Resource Status: No item data available
  [ 10 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	National education, the question of questions : being an apology for the Bible in schools for the nation : with remarks on centralization and the voluntary societies, and brief notes on Lord Brougham's bill / by Henry Dunn.	London : Thomas Ward and Co., 1838.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: Lfa63 G5 838d Status: No item data available
  [ 11 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Principles of teaching : or, The normal school manual: containing practical suggestions on the government and instruction on children.	London : Pub. by the Sunday-school union, 1839.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: LbaI4 837dc Status: No item data available
  [ 12 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Reply to the misrepresentations of the Rev. Francis Close and others : as to the principles and pratice of the British and Foreign School Society.	London : Thomas Ward and Co., 1839.
  	Location: BEINECKE (Non-Circulating) Call Number: College Pamphlets 1250 6 Status: No item data available
  [ 13 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Study of the Bible : a series of chapters intended to promote truth and unity / by Henry Dunn.	New York : G.P. Putnam, 1871.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: WB 10114 Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 14 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Study of the Bible [microform] : a series of chapters intended to promote truth and unity / by Henry Dunn.	New York : G.P. Putnam, 1871.
  	Location: DIVINITY, Stacks Call Number: Fiche B4000 ATLA fiche 1992-0379 Status: Not Checked Out
  [ 15 ]	Dunn, Henry, 1800-1878	Teaching; its pleasures, its trials, and its responsibilities. Being counsels for pupil-teachers, governesess [!], and others engaged in the instruction of the young. Selected and reprinted from the twenty-first edition of "Principles of teaching; or, The	London, Simpkin, 1869.
  	Location: MUDD, Stacks Call Number: Lba14 837dn Status: No item data available
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  stev

  
  Henry Dunn lived in England and was a teacher, and not a clergyman. He wrote numerous works on theology as a layman, which is fortunate because that gave him more freedom of expression of personal views. He wrote several books on the subject of future probation/two salvations, and published a regular magazine devoted to the subject.

  Jacob Blain, an Adventist, wrote a book "Hope For Our Race" which summarizes the arguments of Dunn. Blain was, as I remember, a preacher of the Second Adventist church in New York, and might have been acquainted with Barbour, also from NY, and Storrs, also from NY.

  Dunn is outside the reading material of the Adventists and Bible Students/JWs. So they don't have anything online for him.
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  stev

  The full text of one of Dunn's books is online:

  http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;c=moajrnl;cc=moa;g=moagrp;xc=1;q1=liborum;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;idno=AFZ0102.0001.001

  Author: [Dunn, Henry], 1800-1878.
  Title: Liber librorum: its structure, limitations, and purpose. A friendly communication to a reluctant sceptic.

  I don't think there is very much in this book that would have influenced Russell. Dunn was a Trinitarian, believed in a conscious intermediate state, but was against eternal torment, and taught a future probation for the unsaved. The kingdom would be future on earth, with Israel as the head nation. He taught that there were two salvations, a salvation for the few for the benefit of the salvation of the many - the world.

  It is apparent that Russell knew of Dunn, since he quotes him. Russell uses some of the same Scriptural arguments, but their views are not identical. Russell was eclectic and formed his personal theology. He did borrow ideas from others but was discriminating and rejected what didn't fit into his own theological framework.

  Some other possible sources for Russell's views:

  The Three Worlds concept might have come from H.L. Hastings who wrote a booklet on the subject. Hastings was an Advent Christian with nonsectarian leanings.

  There was an article on The Permission of Evil in the Bible Examiner, perhaps by Rotherham. There is a chapter on this on the Divine Plan book.

  Ransom and Restitution came from Storrs and Stetson.

  The Judgment Day as a 1000 year period might have come from Joseph Seiss.
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  stev

  Here online is H.L. Hastings The Three Worlds, 1854

  http://www.temcat.com/3WORLDS.htm

  Storrs wrote a book on The Divine Dispensations.