Russia vs. United States/ The Beast is Back

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  • proplog2
    proplog2

    The Bible says the 7th head of the beast appears slaughtered but it is healed. (Rev 13:3-8)

    The last part of Revelation gives a closer look at the revived beast. It appears at first as a lamb but then speaks as a dragon.

    The USA and other western nations had hopes that Russia was going to be a nice democratic partner with open markets - a full fledged member of the New World Order.

    Enter Putin. Determined to rebuild a New Russian Power he has set Russia back on course.

    I could ramble on - but instead I will from time to time post significant items that may escape those who are absorbed in the politics and economy of the USA.

    Here is an item that illustrates how things are changing back to a state of confrontation.

    Russia’s influence grows
    As democracy movements stumble, Kremlin draws neighbors to its orbit
    By Henry Meyer
    AP
    March 20, 2006

    MOSCOW – The Kremlin may be reclaiming a dominant role in its former Soviet
    backyard.
    In Belarus, Moscow-allied strongman Alexander Lukashenko just won
    re-election by a landslide – at least by the official count. And Russian
    President Vladimir Putin’s allies could return to government in Sunday’s
    Ukrainian parliamentary election, a year after the Orange Revolution.

    Such developments set back Western hopes of a democratic tidal wave in the
    former Soviet sphere and could further tarnish Putin’s democratic
    credentials as he tries to cast himself as a statesman capable of brokering
    deals with Iran and Hamas. (And it misleads those who dwell on the earth Rev 13:14)
    For Putin, however, asserting dominance over Belarus and Ukraine appears to
    be part of his strategy to re-establish Moscow as a global player during
    his year of the G-8 presidency.
    “Russia wants to restore its superpower status, and that includes putting
    these countries back into its orbit,” said Yevgeny Volk, Moscow director of
    the conservative U.S think tank Heritage Foundation.

    (Rev 17:13 These have one thought and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast)
    “It is seeking to reclaim its influence over the former Soviet Union, and
    remove that of the United States and European Union,” he added.

    Russia was furious at what it saw as Western encroachment on its home turf
    after Ukraine’s November 2004 Orange Revolution – the mass protests over
    election fraud that brought reformist opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko
    to power over the Kremlin’s favored candidate, Viktor Yanukovych.

    Months later, the impoverished Central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan had its
    Tulip Revolution, becoming the third former Soviet state within 18 months
    to see opposition forces topple a Soviet-era leader. Georgia’s Rose
    Revolution started the process in 2003.

    Today, however, Russia is again on the rise as nervous authoritarian
    regimes from Kazakhstan to Uzbekistan – where rights groups say government
    troops killed hundreds of civilians in a crackdown on protesters last year
    – build closer ties to Moscow, partly as a way to cow opposition forces.

    Even in Ukraine, disillusionment at political infighting and the economic
    collapse that followed the Orange Revolution have brought about a political
    comeback for Yanukovych, whose rigged victory in the 2004 presidential
    election was annulled by the Supreme Court.

    Enjoying strong support in the Russian-speaking east, his party is poised
    to win the most seats in the new parliament and earn the right to form the
    government, even if it will probably need to govern in an uneasy coalition
    with the party of the pro-Western Yushchenko.

    “The West’s influence that triumphed in the color revolutions has clearly
    become a dead end for these nations,” said Sergei Markov, a
    Kremlin-connected political analyst. “In Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan,
    people live worse, not better than before.”

    By contrast, in Belarus, whose authoritarian president is shunned by
    Western nations as Europe’s last dictator, cheap supplies of Russian gas
    provide a vital lifeline to the inefficient, state-dominated economy.

    Analyst Alexei Malashenko of the Carnegie Moscow Center think tank said on
    Ekho Moskvy radio that while the Kremlin sometimes had tense relations with
    Belarus, its greatest interest lay in preserving the status quo in Minsk.

    He also said that despite loud Western criticism of the Belarus election,
    there was no serious attempt to help pro-democratic forces, as happened in
    Ukraine.

    “There was a strong fight for Ukraine, but no one fought for Belarus,”
    Malashenko said.

    Analysts agree that Russia’s trump card in the region is its immense energy
    resources. They ensure that despite pro-Western inclinations, both Georgia
    and Ukraine remain dangerously dependent on their larger neighbor.
    A pipeline explosion that cut off Russian supplies to Georgia this winter
    left millions shivering in their homes – provoking accusations from the
    tiny U.S.-allied Caucasus Mountain state that Russia was deliberately
    trying to force it to its knees.

    Ukraine meanwhile had to swallow a twofold increase in gas prices after a
    bitter New Year’s dispute that saw Moscow turn off the gas taps.

    “Russia is using strong economic levers. With the growth of oil and gas
    exports it has become much richer than it was in the 1990s and it is
    translating this economic might into political influence and power,” said Volk.

    At the center of the Russian policy in the region is a determination to
    resist the West’s efforts to boost its influence at Russia’s expense, in
    what Moscow says is falsely portrayed as a bid to promote democracy.

    Russia on Monday accused the United States of trying to enforce its vision
    of democracy on others, angrily rejecting President Bush’s criticism that
    the Kremlin has rolled back freedoms.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Well, of course, you are viewing thid from the american beastly position, so, of course, any increase in soviet power is seen as a bad thing. Funny how the bible is such a western repubican book.

    S

  • heathen
    heathen

    Let me guess . You are one of those fundies still running around trying to put the beastly number on some foreign countries ? I think G W already made it clear with his axis of evil .

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    The last part of Revelation gives a closer look at the revived beast. It appears at first as a lamb but then speaks as a dragon.

    The USA and other western nations had hopes that Russia was going to be a nice democratic partner with open markets - a full fledged member of the New World Order.

    Non sequitur alert. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Revelation was written nearly two millennia ago, and while it's been applied to all sorts of things since then, it really has nothing to say about the world we live in or its future.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    How will the Bible be spun when China is the new World Power?

  • metatron
    metatron

    Baloney.

    Russia is a dying nation, losing 700, 000 to a million in net population per year. They are gravely threatened by Muslim insurgencies.

    Russians with money are pouring it OUT of their nation because there is so much corruption, AIDS, and mismanagement of the economy.

    As long as they have oil and gas reserves, they can buy some influence with their neighbors, as with Europe and the Ukraine.

    Other than that, they are a doomed nation - rapidly being overshadowed by China and Asia in general.

    metatron

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Satanus:

    Don't be so quick to label me. I really view the US role in the world as provocative. It is the richest entity on earth and therefore is the most likely match for what Revelation calls Babylon the Great. The USA has a history of making deals with elites in various countries to exploit their natural and human resources. There are good reasons why so many nations hate the USA.

    Russia has refused to bow to the control of the USA. It has it's own interests and once again is pursuing those interests. It is interesting that the Bible doesn't take sides in the final struggle of the King of the North against the King of the South. Both are evil and are finally brought to nothing.

    If the Bible were just a human myth it is more likely that one of these Nations would be viewed as Good and the other Evil. Instead it portrays some kind of extra-earthly court as making the final judgement.

    Daniel 7:9 I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. ... The Court took its seat and there were books that were opened...

    Daniel 7:26 And the Court proceeded to sit and his (horn that wars against the holy ones [Daniel 7:21] own rulership they finally took away in order to annhilate him and to destroy totally.

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Heathen:

    I'm not a good candidate for the label "fundy".

    I doubt the existence of God. However, the prophetic parts of the Bible that speak of an extra-earthly intervention that preserve human life on earth is worth examining.

  • jstalin
    jstalin

    I'd like to echo metatron's remarks. Russia is a has-been.

    Population: 142 million

    Population growth rate: -0.37%

    GDP Per capita: $11,000

    Compare to the US:

    Population: about 300 million

    Growth rate: 0.91%

    GDP Per capita: $41,800

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    Funky Derek:

    I am fully aware of the possibility you suggest. The Bible is NOT the words of an all powerful deity. Can the human mind ever be sure that even a miracle is the work of such an entity. I don't believe you can speak about any certain future of the human race if things keep going as they are. Therefore, with the smallest amount of optimism I choose to look for the possibility that things may change. The Bible speaks about the resolution of the problem of war.

    So it is legitimate to reword your objection as follows:

    Non sequitur alert. One thing MAY HAVE has nothing to do with the other. Revelation was written nearly two millennia ago, and while it's been applied to all sorts of things since then, it MAY HAVE really has nothing to say about the world we live in or its future.

    The current events that I intend to continue to post are selected to help others see what I see shaping up.

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