I FEEL SO FRUSTRATED.

by vitty 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • vitty
    vitty

    My daughter phoned me today after her DC, she said it was good. She also went on to tell me how she was unhappy with an elder on their case about improving their FS, She said he hinted about her pioneering something she said she doesnt want to do. She and her new hubby HATE FS. I tried to talk to her but I just came over as being negative. I dont want to do that

    How do I help her?

    When shes being negative about the org what should I say without putting her off from talking to me freely about it?

    When I said to her just do what YOU want to do and dont be bullied by the elders, she started to defend them and change tack

    She truly believes its the truth, but I know she doesnt like the life.

    Any suggestions.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    "Jehovah wants whole souled devotion. if she isnt joyful about pioneering its obvious its not the right time for such a big commitment. "

    maybe say something like that?

    my kids got back from the dc ... one of my children said they were shocked at how many times they were told not to think for themselves. (maybe our kids listening at the dc's isnt a bad thing!)

  • spiceant
    spiceant

    What is FS?

    perhaps you could try to have her listen to her intuition. You could try to reinforce this idea by saying that Jesus would not never want us to become hypocrites.

  • vitty
    vitty

    FS= field sevice

  • Scully
    Scully

    I think this is part of the automated / indoctrinated mechanism that cult mind control induces in its followers.

    When you hear the member saying negative things about what is happening, it's the "normal personality" doing the talking. If you agree with them that the negatives exist and offer them support, the "cult personality" takes over and becomes defensive.

    When I was a JW, I always had these big plans to auxiliary pioneer too. The field service arrangement was at 9:30 am every day at the Kingdom Hall, yet I never seemed to be able to organize myself to go. Yet, on days when I had to get up to work and be at my work station for 9:00 am, it was not a problem. Eventually, I came to understand that my heart was really not into pioneering, and that I was being passive-aggressive and subconsciously finding ways to avoid it.

    Maybe some reverse psychology is in order. Like when your daughter says she wants to pioneer, yet you know that she hates field service, say something like, "Pioneering is a big commitment, why not take advantage of the Auxiliary Pioneer service instead? You don't even have to say that you're Auxiliary Pioneering... just try to get the hours in... without committing to the hours. That way you'll get an idea if this is something you want to commit to on a regular basis or on a permanent basis." She won't be able to go on the defensive if you make a suggestion like that. She'll also feel like she's doing what the Elders are "encouraging" her to do. On top of that, she'll see just how difficult the lifestyle is, and how tiring it is to "work" like that all the time, without getting any compensation for it. If she truly does not like Field Service, attempting to get those 50 hours in is going to be torture for her, and a couple of weeks or months of that is all she'll need to realize that it isn't how she wants to spend her time.

  • Foreverjw
    Foreverjw

    Dear, frustrated

    you poor dear, 3 years ago i was in the same situation, so i decided that for 6 months i would take the elders advice,

    by the end of the six months, my family life was better, i got a great part time job, i made many new friends, and for the first time in 10 years i had accomplished something and was proud of myself,

    besides the elders dont give advice from there opinions the speak from the bile.

    and god says throw your burddens apon him and he will refresh you, i have many,many friends who also have been threw the same thing,

    give advice thats always upbuilding, it shows compassion and love....

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    the elders dont give advice from there opinions the speak from the bile.

    haha - was there ever a truer word spoken?

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Anyway, back to the topic...

    If you actually used the word 'bullying' of the elders or something similar, like Scully said, that's maybe what put her on the defensive and the reverse psychology approach would be better.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    besides the elders dont give advice from there opinions the speak from the bile.

    Is Freud in the house. [Snicker]

    Actually I never saw the idea of pioneering in the Bible. Could you please show me?

    and god says throw your burddens apon him and he will refresh you,

    What burdens was he referring to there in context - the burden of 'field service' did not exist in the day that was written did it? And how is engaging in the activity of selling books and magazines for a cult at all refreshing?

    Just curious.

    Jeff

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Vitty - I see a few very good things in your account here.

    1 - They hate FS.

    2- Newly married and trying to build a life.

    3- Critical of the pressure they feel.

    Time may take care of this. If I had thought that way as a younger person, just married, I think I may have gotten a whif of the 'truth about the truth' far sooner. As it was, I was in complete agreement with Watchtower thinking at that point in life.

    Tread softly - agree where you can without creating division. Allow her to 'blow off steam' in your ears if she wishes to - soon she may ask you to 'validate' her own opinions.

    Jeff

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