I almost bought a flag......

by AK - Jeff 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    The fog must be lifted now for me after two and a half years out of the borg.

    Today whilst browsing for some lawn decor, I was drawn to the American Flag display in the store. I looked it over good - all the flag pole styles, sizes, quality. I walked away without buying one, only due to trying to keep Wifey out of the hot seat, as she still has relatives in - I don't any longer.

    I still don't know how I feel about nationalism - I still think it is a dangerous ploy in which bloodshed gets justification at times when it is unwarranted - but my feelings of patriotism are rising a little bit for the first time in my life. I don't want to be associated with all the bad that comes from that emotion - I don't want to hate others because they live in another country. Or because my government calls them the enemy in times of warfare.

    But I see it as clearly a sign that the fog is lifted and I am truly free - though I don't know what to do about the flag issue yet.

    Just thought I would share. I never envisioned myself in a million years thinking this way. The very presence of a flag used to give me the creeps. No way - even after leaving would I have thought a year ago I would ever have such feelings as these. I surely thought I would never express them here on a public forum.

    Anyone know what I mean by this ramble?

    Jeff

  • mama1119
    mama1119

    I went CRAZY this year, HUGE fireworks, dressed my daughter in red white and blue, I wore red white & blue, we had patriotic plates napkins and I made patriotic cupcakes and cake. I have always, deep inside been patriotic and felt bad for it, but now that I am free I can be........

  • TooOpinionated
    TooOpinionated

    Hi mama,

    I did the same thing this year. We put a flag up, several in flowerpots (gave the jw's something to oogle as they were avoiding my house handing out their tract this summer LOL), had my kids dressed in red t-shirts for the Fourth of July, complete with red, white and blue hair decorations for the girls. They recieved alot of compliments.

    My husband, myself, and kids even rode on a float in the parade. We are making ourselves very visible. As a witness I always felt I was creeping around the fringes of real life, and I am thrilled to have life with it's richness and fullness back again, instead of the bleak, dreary jw way.

    Did the fireworks thing, too. It felt great. I was patriotic before I became a witless, and I always felt bad about squashing those feelings. It was very hard on my grandfather -WW2 vet-when I converted. I only wish he were alive now to see us out and celebrating.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    My boyfriend put up England flags on both the front and the back of the flat during the World Cup, and they were there when the jws came to give everyone apart from us invitations to the local dc. They couldn't possibly have missed seeing them, and they know we live here, so I guess they know were we stand on the issue of nationalism now lol!

  • sinis
    sinis

    In my way of thinking a flag display is nothing more than being happy and reminded where you live. Do you wear a wedding ring, keep a picture of a loved one on your shelf or wallet, weeding pictures displayed, etc.? Those are just visual reminders of the things you appreciate and have come to love. Displaying a flag can mean nothing more than appreciating the things that your country has accomplished, or done for its citizens. Granted not every country is great to live in or does not do things within its policy that you are not completely happy with. Yet the core fundamentals, at least in western society, mean life itself - whether you completely agree with the current politics or not.

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR

    I am too perplexed to respond. I am not sure if you want to fly the colors or not. It seems that you don't because of "nationalism" (whatever that is).

    I am extremely proud to be an American. I fly my flag on all national holidays, and I even flew it during the World Baseball Classic & World Cup (the days that the USA played). I fly it on Cinco de May & September 16 (Mexican Independence Day) as a reminder to the illegal population in my neighborhood of just whose country this is.

    I don't consider patriotism a negative. It is something to be instilled in our children. Afterall, America is not a nation based on a race, but on an idea.

  • Wordly Andre
    Wordly Andre

    Ever since I was a kid, I have always been a WWII buff, and back in 1995 the 50th anniversary of the end of the war, I not only had the 50 star flag, I also put up the 48 star flag, the POW flag and a special WWII memorial flag, and wouldn't know it, that weekend my parents came over, it was funny because they acted like they didn't see all the flags in my front yard, but left quickly. To all the fathers, grandfathers, and brothers who served in WWII you are all my heros.

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR
    To all the fathers, grandfathers, and brothers who served in WWII you are all my heros.

    Ditto.

  • Dave_T
    Dave_T

    Out of the JW org and into Nationalism... Isn't this a little like: Out of a mind-controlling cult and into another bigger, widely accepted mind-controlling cult... ?

  • Good Girl or Bad Girl?
    Good Girl or Bad Girl?

    I have a really strange fear of flags (and crosses too). I'm fresh out of the Jdubs after being born into it though, so maybe in time it will pass and I can see it for what it really is.

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