by AuldSoul 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Re: The missing 20 years and Jehoiachin's exile
I saw them together at the Montrose Jazz festival in 2002. The Missing 20 Years used to play clubs around Dallas before they hit it big, and Jehoiachin's Exile was started by a couple members of Creed and Black Sabbath, little known factoids there, Auldsoul. Also, it's rumoured The Missing 20 Years took their inspiration for their band name from John Prines song, Jesus, the Missing Years.
Since the Hillah Stele astronomically confirms the first regnal year of Nabonidus in 555 BC, and since the WTS unqualifiedly agrees with this date (although they neglect to inform WHY they agree),
Hi Auld, your departure did not last long, thankfully. Anyway, do you have a quote for where the WTS agrees with this date?
Auld Soul
Your query is an interesting one but completely mistaken because WT chronology as developed by celebrated WT scholars, hereafter termed the 'celebrated' have based their biblical chronology on the historic fact of the biblical 'seventy years' which is overlooked by Neo-Babylonian chronology. This means that the dates for the reign of Nebuchadnezzer is dated from 624 - 582 BCE with the desolating of Jerusalem and the commencement of the seventy years in 607 BCE which was his 18th regnal year. Such an historic insertion unknown to the pagan Babylonian scribes would create a twenty year gap between biblical chronology and pagan chronology which fixes 586/587 for this event.
Further, the chronology for the following Babylonian rulers in uncertain because in the case of Evil-Merodach there is ambiguity as to the length of his reign whether it was two years or eighteen years however his reign began in 581 BCE and in 580 BCE released Jehoiachin in his 37th year of exile which commenced in 617 BCE. Following from Amel-Marduk' uncertain reign there were the following kings: Neriglisser, Labashi-Marduk and Nabonidus who began his reign in 556 BCE ending in 539 BCE.
The Neo-Babylonian chronology is unreliable because it does not give an accurate history of the Nebuchadnezzer period and bad history equals bad chronology. The following historical facts are missing from the Babylonian period but are mentioned in the Old Testament writings:
1. The seventy years of Judah's subjugation
2. The seven years of Nebuchadnezzer's madness
3. The desolation of Egypt for forty years.
Hence, the missing twenty years is not found during the late Neo-Babylonian period as you allege but in fact were characteristic of Nebuchadnezzer's reign with the Fall of Jerusalem in his 18th regnal year.
scholar JW
Scholar,
Have you met up with Ozzie yet?
Also, have you got those university papers I asked you to direct me to? You know, the ones that you penned!
Ian
scholar,
hereafter termed the 'celebrated' have based their biblical chronology on the historic fact of the biblical 'seventy years' which is overlooked by Neo-Babylonian chronology
For you to post such a provably innaccurate statement makes me think you must be a "black propagandist". There is no such thing as biblical chronology apart from secular chronology. Without secular chronology no starting dates would be known.
But thank you for gracing my thread with your strawman presence. If you keep setting thme up, we'll keep knocking them down.
in the case of Evil-Merodach there is ambiguity as to the length of his reign whether it was two years or eighteen years
Here's a bit of evidence I'll throw out there:
NBC 4897 is an ancient "spreadsheet" that a shepherd in Uruk used to keep track of the annual growth of his sheep and goats, for ten consecutive years. The first year on this document is the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar.
As Scholar would agree with, the growth figures for the flock dated to the accession year of Evil-Merodach come right after the records dated to the 43rd year of Nebuchadnezzar.
But then...the growth records dated to the accession year of Neriglissar come right after the records dated to 2nd year of Evil-Merodach. The last record is dated to the first year of Neriglissar. It's no wonder that Insight mentions that all discovered records for Evil-Merodach date only up to his 2nd year.
Now let's look at the reign of Amasis of Egypt.
We know from Egyptian chronology that Amasis reigned for 44 years, and that his successor, Psammatichus III (Psamtik III), was conquered at the end of his first year by Cambyses of Persia...in 525 BCE.
The Babylonian Royal inscription, BM33041, dated to Nebuchadnezzar's 37 year, describes a Babylonian military campaign against Amasis of Egypt.
582 BCE, Scholar's last (43rd) year for Nebuchadnezzar, would precede the beginning of Amasis' reign by twelve years.
Amasis' reign and it's tie-ins to Babylonian chronology don't allow for a twenty year gap...unless you start claiming that Egyptian Chronology also contains a twenty year gap that perfectly corresponds with the Babylonian one.
*** it-1 p. 560 Cush ***
Persian King Cambyses II (529-522 B.C.E.) conquered Egypt during the days of Pharaoh Psamtik III, and this opened the way for bringing Ethiopia under Persian control; thus, Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) could be spoken of as ruling "from India to Ethiopia [Cush]." (Es 1:1; 8:9) Confirming this, Xerxes states in an inscription: "These are the countries—in addition to Persia—over which I am king . . . India . . . (and) Kush."—Ancient Near Eastern Texts, p. 316.
Auld Soul
Whenever you continue to promote a demonic secular chronology I will continue to promote the true biblical chronology which knocks down such foolish devilish schemes.
scholar JW
Whenever you continue to promote a demonic secular chronology I will continue to promote the true biblical chronology which knocks down such foolish devilish schemes.
this is great stuff...you should go on tour. Maybe you can get HBO to follow along and tape it.....scholargasm
Scholar pretendus goatus buggerus has returned with his usual contentless drivel, I see.
So Neil. When are you going to try to disprove Josephus' proof that the Society's speculation that the Jews returned to Judah in 537 B.C. is wrong, and that they returned in 538? About five months have elapsed since I first posted that material, and since you challenged its validity. Cat still got your brain?
AlanF
Just had to start it again (the scholarship), eh, AuldSoul?
I think it is kind of funny that the celebrated JW scholarship is so centric to Babylonian kings (and of course missing the years you point out).
There is also the problem of interleaving their dates with the antics and exploits of Egyptian Pharoah Necho - 609 to 593bc.
Every record I can find on him says he defeated and killed Josiah of Judah in 609 bce, then himself gets defeated by Carchemish in 605.
How can you get the celebrated 607 in between these two events which are validated by a whole separate chronology? Look up "Babylonian Chronicles, discovery 1956" sometime on the internet. This apparantly also has some astronomical fixes in addition to the historical dates.
James
