Panhandlers piss me off!

by Nosferatu 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586

    I'll admit at times I am a bleeding heart and I will give some change to people...

    But Lord help you if you catch me while I'm eating and in my car. I was eating a burger in my car with a friend when this guy comes up to my window. Not only was I eating, but I was on the phone too. I rolled up the window in his face. "Hey man, you don't have to treat me like an animal!" he shouted back.

    You've got bad timing, I thought. Had you waited until I was off the phone you would've had a chance at some change.

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    aehh? I dunno. Sure I understand there are bums and there are people who really need help. Either way, why get pissed off about it. You have the power to listen to the sob story or not, give or not. No harm done why get pissed?

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    Yea, they are annoying sometimes but the reaction is mine. Sometimes a fly annoys me too. Is it the fly's fault?

    Sometimes i give, sometimes not, depending on how i "read" the person and what frame of heart I'm in. Don't want to enable anyone's laziness but some peeps are just whacked beyond making a normal livelyhood. Yea, judgement i know. I'm just too lazy to go down to the Sally Ann with stuff,.... ;-)

  • LovesDubs
    LovesDubs

    I live in S. Florida and there is someone on EVERY corner down here. Thats not an exaggeration. I suppose if you have to be homeless you might as well be warm. I dont see any regulation regarding their behavior either. They obviously have territories because the same ones are on the same corners every single time. The news interviewed a bunch of them a month or so ago, and I think the statistic about how many of them were alcoholics was about 60% or so...and at first I gave a bit when I first moved here. But then it was jeeeezzzz every damn day? And then one day I saw one of them in the center divider sitting in a wheelchair with his Vietnam Vet needs food sign...and damned if he didnt get up off of it and WALK across the street with the chair folded under his arm!

    That was it for me...done done done. I give directly to shelters and the Red Cross now.

  • Cady
    Cady

    I'm of two minds on this...

    There's a guy who sits outside near my lab with a sign that says "unemployed poet." He reads all day and occasionally writes very bad poetry which he displays on the sign next to his unemployed poet - give money - etc sign. I get ticked off no end, especially as I see him right as I leave work after a crazy long day.

    On the other hand, most people dip below the poverty line only temporarily, and these dips correlate with major transitions in life. When I was getting divorced I walked into the bank to see if I could get a loan and the guy in front of me had cancer. He was dying, he had lost his job b/c he couldn't work, but b/c he wasn't going to live six months (and you have to be disabled for 6+ months to get assistance) he couldn't get anything from the government. He and his wife and kids were losing their home.

    And, on my own for the first time and a divorce settlement months away, I was scared alot too. I'd been working 30 hours a week prior to my divorce and what I made wouldn't cover my bills, and although I could have worked full time I'd sacrificed a lot to go to school and didn't want to give up the only chance I had at ever really being able to take care of myself. (Which, btw, turned out to be a great choice, as I've recently been awarded a small scholarship, am taking the lead on a study which now has NSF funding, and will be speaking a major conference in the UK in September vs. working full time and ending up doing crap jobs forever.) Without contact with my family b/c of the JW thing, I didn't feel I had a backup plan. If things went wrong, what was I going to do? Where was I going to go? And what if... What if I'd had kids and been on my own? What if the bike accident that landed me in the hospital last year (with a $3,000 bill) had left me seriously injured? What if my car had broken down? What if I hadn't had any skills to support myself with, and had been left with the option of working for minimum wage full-time? One thing could have tipped the scale and I would have been left sleeping on someone's couch, or maybe I wouldn't have known enough people in Seattle and would have eventually ended up...??

    I just think the idea that there are plenty of services out there is a nice thing we tell ourselves so we don't have to feel guilty or afraid. Sorry, but I looked when I was in trouble, and what services are available often require (such as food stamps or help for the medical bill from my accident) an inch thick packet of paperwork which is nearly impossible to manage when your life is a disaster and you're exhausted and stressed.

  • riverofdeceit
    riverofdeceit

    I have a simple rule. If you are doing nothing but begging you get nothing from me. Leeching off of kindharted people is disgusting. Standing there with a cup trying to make me feel guilty for not giving you what I have earned and you have not pisses me off as well. There are those who actually choose to live this way. No, not all of them, and there isn't really a way to tell which are and which aren't. Donate to charities, soup kitchens, etc., but honestly, giving money to these people does not really help them. It enables their lifestyle. It is a really big problem in Boston. Since I couldn't find the recent article they did about it I got a similar one from Denver.

    http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/24/020301.php

    Like a lot of other cities, Denver is strying to crack down on panhandling, largely because they have such a huge number of panhandlers. A substantial 61% of Denver merchants rated panhandling as the number one problem their business faced, and 72% of citizens agreed that it was one of the most serious problems in the city. As a result, the city is considering enacting harsh restrictions on vagrancy and camping, and is building over 3,000 new low income housing units for the homeless.

    Of course, the main reason that there are so many panhandlers in Denver is that it's so lucrative. According to a recent survey conducted by the Downtown Denver Partnership, 42% of the population has given money to panhandlers in the past year and the average person there gives $1.84 each time he or she is approached by a panhandler, for a total of about $25 a year. This adds up to an awful lot of money - a total of over $4.6 million, divided among about a thousand panhandlers. That's an average of about $50,000 per active panhandler per year, with confidential interviews with panhandlers indicating that they make between $35,000 and $100,000 tax free per year and view panhandling as the equivalent of a job or a profession. Some even have homes and support families on their panhandling income.

    One of the ironic aspects of this is that the survey shows that the most generous group to donate to the panhandlers are those who earn less than $25,000 per year, about half of what the average panhandler makes. This puts us in the strange position of having to look at street beggars as heartless exploiters of the working class, leeching off of the paltry income of hard working secretaries and bus boys.

    At a cost of $174 per arrest the city has determined that it's not worth arresting panhandlers, because there are so many and if they arrested them all as often as they'd need to in order to discourage them, the cost would be so high it could never be justified. They wisely thought it made more sense to spend the money on building housing for the homeless. That's great, but it doesn't really address the panhandling issue, because professional panhandlers and those who are homeless and need inexpensive housing and a hand-up are not the same people at all. Nothing they do to reduce homelessness is going to help with the panhandling problem, because panhandlers make enough money that they don't need to be homeless unless it's a matter of lifestyle choice - which it actually is for a lot of them.

  • riverofdeceit
    riverofdeceit

    Btw, sometimes I am guilted into giving some change, but I don't feel very good about it when I do. My wife on the otherhand.....she's more of a sucker kindhearted than I. She balances me out I guess.

  • Scully
    Scully

    The only people I give money to anymore are people who play music. I figure if they're willing to get out there and work their talent, then they deserve to get paid for their effort.

    My days of giving a couple of bucks to the panhandlers ended when I didn't have any "spare change" on me as I was on my way in to the grocery store, so I picked up a few items from the grocery store deli counter so this one panhandler could have a couple of fresh sandwiches to eat. Instead of teaching my 5 and 6 year old daughters a lesson in kindness, they were treated to seeing just how ugly some people can be. When I offered the panhandler the bag of food, he told me to "f.... off b*tch" and gave me the Trudeau salute.

    It was a rude awakening that a kind gesture could be met with such hostility, but it made me realize that in some cases people who appear to be down on their luck, are not *that* down on their luck, and don't really *need* the help.

  • Bstndance
    Bstndance

    A few stories.
    The one time I got really peeved was when I was eating at an outdoor cafe in San Fran and someone just walked right up to our table and stuck their hand out. No words. Just a hand and a look. They had no problem walking over so obviously they can work.
    I noticed a lot of teenagers and young adults begging in Montreal. That really annoyed me.
    In Amsterdam, my friend got mugged twice by junkies. I was with him but always seems to not get bothered. Maybe he wasn't as aware of his surroundings as he should have been because he smoked too much.
    There is a guy that works in my company's maintenance department that has been off and on homeless. It is mostly due to an addiction. It really bugs me. About two years ago he inheirited around $150k from a family member's death. It was gone in less than a year. HOLY CRAP! If I was in his position, I would use it to get on my feet and go to a nice treatment program. I feel some people just don't want help.

  • looking_glass
    looking_glass

    When I first moved to the city, I would give out money when asked. But then I realized that in the mile I walk to work I encounter at least 6 people begging for money and on my way back home, I run into 6 more. If I gave a dollar to each of them (because I tried to give my change once the guy asked me instead for a dollar and I realized spare change does not work for some) I would spend 12 dollars a day, 5 days a week.

    The day came when I realized that I was being suckered by most of them, when on my way to work, a well dressed guy told me that his wallet had been stolen and he just needed a couple of bucks to buy a metra ticket back home. I said "no". And on my way home, a guy stopped me acting like he was having an attack and needed medication but he did not have it with him, and he only needed a couple of bucks so he could go into the drug store and buy what he needed (yeah right). I said "no". Not a month later these two same guys did the same routine on me and I said to both of them, you need to move your act, because I have caught it before. The one guy called me a beeoytch!

    That was when I signed up to help at shelters and donate to various community groups who help the homeless. This way I know it is going somewhere, as opposed to me contributed to some person using the money to buy a bottle or bag of something that will not help them anyways. Don't get me wrong there are times when if I have left overs, I give them to the street person I pass. There are times when I give people change. Some times I call 311 because someone looks pretty bad off and they need assistance. However, I find that providing organized assistance is better.

    Like someone pointed out, sometimes giving money is not helping but enabling.

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