Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.

by thirdwitness 597 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  zagor

  Thirdwitness,
  Is it OK to formally associate with Vatican in order to use its extensive library resources???
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  stevenyc

  It's official folks, thirdwitnoid see's nothing wrong in FORMALY asociating with the United Nations.
  
  HE IS AN APOSTATE.
  
  Let the record stand.
  
  steve
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  AuldSoul

  stevenyc,

  He seems to have fooled himself into believing that the intentions behind the membership is what determines whether or not membership to secular organizations is okay. But the objectives of the secular organization is what the OM/OD book says would determine the appropriateness of the membership, not the intentions or objectives of the person joining.

  thirdwitness seems very confused on the Society's position, but if he would just answer those six question he said he would answer all his confusion would go away. Just between us, I think he prefers confusion because it allows him to continue pretending they did nothing wrong. What do you think?

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  stevenyc

  
  AuldSoul:stevenyc,He seems to have fooled himself into believing that the intentions behind the membership is what determines whether or not membership to secular organizations is okay. But the objectives of the secular organization is what the OM/OD book says would determine the appropriateness of the membership, not the intentions or objectives of the person joining.

  Well, I think he IS fully aware of the societies position. This is not and was never 'a conscience matter' to which would allow for 'intentions' and 'bible principle' to help determine whether formal association with the beast could be acceptable. The problem he has is his brain is attempting to consolidate two diametric positions of fact. 1) That this is Gods organization who cannot and would not associate with the head of satan's world governments. And, 2) That they did.

  We've both been there. And most of us in this thread have shown, beyond ANY doubt that they associated with the beast, including thirdwitness. The rest is up to his brain. Which way it will fall.

  AuldSoul: thirdwitness seems very confused on the Society's position, but if he would just answer those six question he said he would answer all his confusion would go away. Just between us, I think he prefers confusion because it allows him to continue pretending they did nothing wrong. What do you think?

  He already knows the answer to your questions. He has to learn personal honesty. He doesn't have to be honest to me, you, or the Watchtower, he has to start with himself. I believe what we are seeing here in this thread is a written demonstration of cognitive dissonance. What's interesting is that this will help many of the lurkers understand that at times of their intellectual confusion, between what is and what was taught, they are not alone, or the first, or the last to experience it. Their brain wiring of reality was scrambled by the Watchtower, this is just part of the process of putting things back in order.

  steve
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  thirdwitness

  Is it OK to formally associate with Vatican in order to use its extensive library resources???

  The Vatican is religious. We are to get out of Babylon the Great. We are not told to get out of the governments. In fact, we are told to be in subjection to them. Religion can not be compared to government.
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  ozziepost

  The Vatican is religious. ; We are to get out of Babylon the Great. ; We are not told to get out of the governments. ; In fact, we are told to be in subjection to them. ; Religion can not be compared to government.

  But I thought the WT position was that the nations worship the image i.e. the UN?
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  stevenyc

  And the image (the UN) is not a government.

  Stop trying to confuse the issue. You have already stated that the Watchtower Society Voluntarily and Formally associated itself with the Beast to borrow a book.

  That is a SIN.

  EVERYTHING else is an examination into how deep that SIN went.

  steve
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  thirdwitness

  I believe it is you people who are confused. We are to be politically neutral. This does not mean we should not be associated with every single governmental endeavors or programs. For example, the postal system in the US is ran by the government. Can we build a post office or work for the post office. Yes, because even though it is governmental its objectives are not contrary to our Christian beliefs. In some countries the schools are governmentally maintained. Can we not be a teacher? Can we still send our children to school? Yes, because the objective is to educate. This is not contrary to Bible principles.

  And the UN is no different. If the UN took over the disaster relief efforts for a certain disaster it would not compromise our Bible principles to become associated with those efforts as I mentioned above. Why? Because their objective is to bring relief to the victims. Since those objective are not contrary to Bible beliefs then there would be nothing wrong with such an association.

  When the WT became associated with the DPI, despite what the UN may later say, the WTS did not agree to 'support' the UN. The application proves this. And so does the accreditation forms. Also even at that, even if they had agreed to support the UN, the UN clearly states that NGOs support the UN in accord with its own aims and purposes. If the NGOs aims and purposes involve human rights and religious freedom then that would be the only field that such support would be given in. Association with the DPI did not cause the WTS to lose their political neutrality. How could it when they were not politically recommending one government over another? The WTS agrees with the UN that people should be able to choose their form of worship and that humans should not be persecuted by the governments of this world for the choices made in that area. This is what the WTS supports.

  Whats funny about the whole thing is that if the WTS had an opportunity to be associated with the UN human rights efforts and doing so would bring relief to brothers in some lands being persecuted you would be condemning them for not taking advantage of the opportunity. I can just here it now, "I can't believe the governing body makes no effort to help those poor sufffering brothers when it is within their power to help them. They sit up their in their comfortable ivory tower with everything a person needs, fulfilling their every desire, and do nothing to help the brothers being persecuted. All they would have to do is become an NGO associated with the UN human rights department. What would be wrong with that. The human rights department does not wage war and is not political. What unloving old farts. I am glad I left this foolish organization.
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  badboy

  INTERESTING BECAUSE JWS HAVE LOOKED AT CODEXS AT THE VATICAN!

  ISN'T THAT ASSOCIATING WITH BABYLON THE GREAT

  THIRDWITNESS?
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  Death to the Pixies

  Regardless if the UN is a G'vment with subjects in the mold of say, Canada, US, France, it is still a superior authority that must be be given it's honor. It does fall under this category and the WT rightly understands this.