Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? (page 3)

avengers

Wow !!

I didn't know these screwballs existed.

ozziepost

thirdwitness:

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DannyHaszard

thirdwitness:
You started two threads within 15 minutes in similar fashion i.e. simply providing a link to another site - no 'discussion', nothing.
We call this trolling.
No more will be allowed to stand.

That's fair they hold me as a long time contributing popular poster to this same standard

Terry

THE TWAIN ONE
by MARIA FRANCES RUSSELL This is a reprint of the original book written by MARIA RUSSELL, the wife of CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL. MARIA RUSSELL was quite a rebel in her time and a zealous advocate of the rights of women. This book was originally published in 1906 and even at that time she championed a woman's right to be more than a household servant to her husband and children. She used THE TWAIN ONE as the platform to expound her views and used the Bible to back up her belief in the eqality of men and women. This book is a must read for Jehovah's Witnesses, Bible Students and all those who believe in the inherent equality of men and women.

Maria Russell and Charles Taze Russell: what a pair!

Maria was smitten by Charlie's charisma, ambition and personal fortune.

It was she, Maria, who invented the doctrine of The Faithful and Wise Servant. It tickled C.T.Russell's ears, but, he resisted.

There was a catch, however. Maria conceived of the doctrine as INCLUDING herself! She was part of the "one flesh" or TWAIN, as she called it which constituted the

latter day mouthpiece of Jehovah spouting end times "truths" at the proper time.

To Russell's credit, he dodged Maria's interpretation for as long as his ego could stand it, but, finally succumbed and admitted "privately" it might be true.

Maria had married Russell for a purpose. That purpose had, at the outset, NOT included sexual relations or the rearing of children. Maria was a bright lady and had plenty to

contribute to the success of Charlie's enterprise. What private agreements were arrived at between the two of them we cannot begin to guess. All we know is that there gradually grew to be a conflict of interests between them which included Maria's interpretations of "the Twain".

It is a great irony indeed that what became a worldwide organization of Jehovah's Witnesses (under Rutherford and Knorr) hinges on the pivotal doctrinal interpretation of "Faithful and Discreet Slave" being pretty much what Maria Russell decided it should be!

The Society has never mentioned these origins as far as I can recall. Embarassing? I'd say so!

parakeet

***You started two threads within 15 minutes in similar fashion i.e. simply providing a link to another site - no 'discussion', nothing. ..... No more will be allowed to stand.***

Too bad, thirdwitness. You got greedy. You've just disproved the Troll's Creed: "He who posts and runs away lives to post another day."

Terry

Charles Taze Russell was born in 1852 (February 16) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He was raised in a strict Presbyterian home.

1868 (Age 16)

In an encounter with a non-believer he became disillusioned over the subject of whether God as a heavenly father would burn his children in hell

1869 (Joseph Franklin Rutherford was born and raised a Baptist)

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1870

At the age of 18 the deeply troubled Russell attended a meeting where Adventism was preached by Millerite Jones Wendall. He heard for the first time the idea that there was no burning hell.

A now changed Russell starts his own Bible study group which elected him as "Pastor". In the course of these studies Russell discovered that Christ had returned invisibly in 1875. (Russel would have been 23 years old)

Charles Russell decides it is incumbent upon him to publicize this arrival of Jesus by publishing Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence" in magazine form. He sent out 6,000 issues each month.

1880 (Age 28)

Russell declares that his system of theology had been "revealed" to him directly from God. Russel had taken up with a highly intelligent original thinker whom he eventually married,(1879) Maria Francis Ackley who explained to Russell that he was the "faithful and wise servant" of Matthew 24:45.

Maria Russell conceived of the two of them "Twain" as this mouthpiece of God.

1881

Zion's Watchtower tract society is formed (

The Henry Ward Beecher mansion, at 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, came into the possession of the Society, and Pastor Russell continued to use the home of Brooklyn's world famed pulpit orator as his study and residence until his death.)

1882 Russell officially denies the doctrine of the Trinity

1884

Russell turns the Watchtower into a Corporation

1893 Frederick Franz is born

1894 Rutherford becomes a missionary for the movement

During the early days of their marriage both Maria and Charles Russell influence each other's thinking. Russell sees that Maria wants full equality of credit for the development of the theology he is putting into print. When Studies in the Scriptures is finished Russell starts urging people not to read his earlier work (influenced by Maria.)

By this time Russell is convinced Jehovah reveals his Truth to him alone.

The Russell's arguments grow more and more heated and bitterness ensues.

1896

(Russell is 44) Maria Russell repudiates her stance on her husband being the "Faithful" and wise servant. She now identifies him as the "Evil Slave" of Matthew24:45-47

Marital relations become strained to the point of outright war. Scandal ensues.

1903

(Russell is age 51) Maria Russell filed for legal separation. (Maria claimed she was tortured by Russell who denied her sex. She accused Russell of kissing and fondling his "special friend" who was stenographer and foster child.)

Charles Russell had been moving his/their assets into the corporation for the previous 19 years to avoid alimony.

1906 Maria Russell writes her views on headship and marital obligations in THE TWAIN revealing an incisive mind with a clear grasp of women's issues.

March 1,1917 One year after Charles Russell's death "The Watchtower unhesitatingly proclaims brother Russell as 'that Faithful and Wise Servant'

Awake! May 8,1951 "who is preaching the teaching of Pastor Russell? Certainly not Jehovah's Witnesses! They can not be accused of following him, for they neither quote him as an authority nor publish or distribute his writing"

Thus, Russell was both proclaimed and denied by his wife and the society which he founded.

Honesty

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The OZ

Try trolling on Beliefnet's "LEARN ABOUT JEHOVAH's WITNESSES" and the jw's would immediately delete your post.

Isn't it great to be on a site that allows freedom of expression up to the point where it gets nauseating to participants who know the truth about the Troof and the Lies emanating from Beffel.

acadian

All true follower's of Christ. So from the time the apostles lived up to now their has always been a "Faithful and Discreet Slave" some where. The faithful slave is the individual follwer of Christ. (true follower, not secular follower)

Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

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