US Military: spreading democracy one murder at a time......

by kid-A 16 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    As if Abu Ghraib was'nt bad enough....

    GIs describe comrades killing blindfolded Iraqis

    U.S. soldiers testify during military hearing of 4 troops accused of murder

    Updated: 8:42 a.m. ET Aug 3, 2006

    TIKRIT, Iraq - Two American soldiers Thursday described in gruesome detail how their comrades allegedly killed three blindfolded Iraqi detainees, one of whom was covered in brain matter and another who spit blood during his dying moments.

    The soldiers testified during a military hearing to decide if the four soldiers should face a military court-martial on murder charges for allegedly killing the Iraqis after detaining them in a house on May 9 near Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad.

    Cpl. Brandon Helton testified that he was the last man off the helicopter that brought a group of soldiers to a marshy island outside Samarra in search of suspected al-Qaida operatives. By the time he reached the house, the Iraqis had been detained, he said.

    He said he saw detainees fleeing before they were shot. When he approached, some of the detainees had their blindfolds down and were “running at full sprint.” At that point, the soldiers fired.

    “The first one fell flat down and the second one, whenever he got shot, it was kind of like what you’d see in a movie where he spun around and landed on his back,” Helton said. “I seen one spitting up blood.”

    The four accused soldiers — Pfc. Corey R. Clagett, Spc. William B. Hunsaker, Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard and Spc. Juston R. Graber — initially said the detainees were killed because they tried to escape, but military prosecutors have said they were freed before being shot.

    The shootings have dealt another blow to the reputation of U.S. soldiers in Iraq and fueled anger against the coalition presence. U.S. troops have been accused of a string of civilian deaths in Iraq, including the alleged massacre of dozens in Haditha. Another hearing is scheduled this weekend for soldiers allegedly involved in the rape and killing of a 14-year-old girl.

    'Kill all military-aged males'
    Earlier in the hearing, another witness, Spc. Micah Bivens, recalled hearing the shots fired during the mission, but said he did not see the soldiers fire.

    Bivens said as he approached, he knew immediately that two were no longer living based on their wounds. Referring to one victim, he said: “There is no way that he could have been alive considering there was brain on the ground.”

    Bivens said he never heard a discussion among the accused of a plan to kill the detainees. He also said he doesn’t recall brigade commander Col. Michael Steele ordering the soldiers to “kill all military-aged males,” as others in the unit have alleged.

    At least one of the accused has said orders from Steele were to “kill all military-aged males” on the day of the mission. Several witnesses offered variations to the order in testimony, including restricting fatal shots to only those who failed to surrender.

    Steele, who led Army Rangers during the 1993 battle for Mogadishu in Somalia, has denied the allegations. He declined to speak to reporters about the charges.

    Girouard, Hunsaker, Clagett and Graber could face the death penalty if the case is passed on for a court-martial. They are accused of concocting a story to justify the shootings and covering it up from military prosecutors.

    The first three are also accused of obstruction of justice for allegedly threatening to kill Pfc. Bradley Mason, the prosecution’s leading witness who testified Wednesday.

    All are members of Charlie Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    At the risk of being unpopular I'm going to say the "kill all military age men" is a good motto in this case...

    Here are the choices as I see it.

    A) Go to war, be ruthless, be vicious, win

    or

    B) Stay the @#%# home!

    Go into a city and announce you all have 24 hrs to evacuate to camp #15424 after which time anyone left in the city will be assumed to be our enemies and be killed!...

    Of course I'm in favor of staying the #$%$ HOME! Mark of the ~fix the problems at home FIRST class!

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    May I just ask what is the purpose of this thread, and what does it have to do with the goals of this website?

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    This is why the U.S. should bring all the soldiers home from EVERY place overseas, seal BOTH the northern and southern borders with walls and troops, blockade the coasts with the Navy, let the terrorists have the rest of the world, and REFUSE to help those who become victims of the terrorists.

    Warlock

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    ""kill all military age men" is a good motto in this case..."

    It's illegal, and it's murder. Why do you think murder is a good thing? Doesn't that make you a shitbag?

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Didn't Jehovay do about the same thing to the firstborn sons of Egypt?

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    "Didn't Jehovay do about the same thing to the firstborn sons of Egypt?"

    Bingo. And in numerous land grabs as well, I'd add.

  • MinisterAmos
    MinisterAmos

    But you can't put ANFO bombs outside the Jehovah consulate can you?

    I'd just like to point out that in order to punish the Saudis who hi-jacked the planes that knocked down the towers, the US invaded and toppled the Govts. of two different soveriegn nations.

    How does that make any sense whatsoever? Hell, US policy has created many times more terrorists than it has killed.

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome
    Bingo. And in numerous land grabs as well, I'd add.

    some things never change

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    It seems to me that Jehovah also instructed his people to smash the babies heads against rocks, and rape the little girls.

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