The UN and the Society---the deciding factor

by The wanderer 11 Replies latest jw friends

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  The wanderer

  The United Nations and The Watchtower Society

  Having researched this issue thoroughly it was
  the deciding factor on my leaving the organ-
  ization. Taking into consideration both views
  of apologists and apostates this was the
  conclusion I drew regarding the matter.

  The Watchtower Society's view of the United Nations

  After having studied the Revelation book I was convinced that the United Nations was controlled
  by Satan the Devil as we as Jehovah's Witnesses
  were taught to believe.

  As formerly mentioned I took into consideration what both sides had to
  say regarding the issue. However, this statement was the nail in the
  coffin regarding the organization.

  The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God's Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ—to whose princely rule there will be no end.

  The Watchtower and the Blasphemous Counterfeit

  The above excerpt is a statement, belief and a position regarding the
  United Nations. No amount of camouflage words such as "registration"
  used by the Watchtower Society was going to justify any sort of
  involvement with the United Nations.
  
  According to my way of thinking, it was over for the Watchtower. Although, years of doubts and other experiences made me think twice about the organization [generation change 1995] the deciding factor was the UN involvement.

  Respectfully,

  The Wanderer
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  rebel8

  I believe the WTS has condemned other religions for becoming UN NGOs in their literature too.

  Also, the WTS has sent representatives to UN NGO events, staffing booths at these events, etc.--in several countries.

  Here's something I wrote to refute the usual excuses:

  Brochure: The Watchtower-United Nations Scandal--Why is it important? A comprehensive, concise examination of anti-UN teachings along with details of the WT's UN activities. Suitable for use in discussing this topic with JWs or those studying with JWs. Identifies the most common excuses given for NGO membership and refutes each. Contains a full list of verifiable references. 4-page foldable color brochure suitable for printing on 2 sides of 8.5" x 11" paper.
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  vitty

  But they are the GB......................its different for them............
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  Morocco

  Yeah this whole UN thing wouldn't be so bad if the WT hadn't condemned the UN and everyone associated with it. On top of that, on the DPI's website it clearly states that the applicant (wt) must agree with the UN charter... or their goals and purposes to obtain NGO status... isn't that like saying the pledge of allegiance? Oooh the hypocrasy!
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  MinisterAmos

  Wouldn't go all out on that agree to the charter thing there Morocco. It seems as if there WAS a change in NGO policy after the WT signed up (or at least claims the society)

  I do however, get a lot of mileage with the WT pic showing the whore riding the scarlet beast (UN) Pretty bizarre stuff that was circulated well before the WT hooked up.

  Hell why would they want anything from them any way? Isn't Satan full of lies?
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  sspo

  Modern-Day Conspiracy to Be Shattered

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  The Kingdom envoys also keep peace among themselves. They ‘earnestly endeavor to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace.’ (Ephesians 4:3) They do this despite all the turmoil that now rages throughout the earth. National entities inside and outside the United Nations are in reality lined up against the government of the "Prince of Peace." As God views it, the United Nations is a colossal world conspiracy. Why? Because it declares itself set to gain the objectives that God has laid only upon his "Prince of Peace" to gain. And it calls upon the peoples of all nations to support it in establishing worldwide security by man’s efforts. It even proclaimed 1986 to be the "International Year of Peace." It thus proves itself to be a conspiracy against the "Prince of Peace" and against Jehovah’s covenant with him for the everlasting Kingdom.

  WAT 87 4/15 19,20

  Paul said to Timothy not to become sharer in the sins of others, 1 tim 5

  When the watchtower joined for 10 years they did just that and would have continued if not caught with their pants down.
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  Frannie Banannie

  TW, I commend you for examining things and holding fast to what is truth. I wish more jdubyas would do so. There would then be less than more.

  Kudos to ya!

  Frannie
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  AuldSoul

  TW,

  I know first hand what a blow seeing without the blinders can be on the emotional stability of a person. For me, the final gut punch was when they sent their second response to my inquiries on this issue to the local body of elders with instructions that I was not to receive a copy of the letter (although the BOE was allowed to read a portion to me).

  They stipulated at the outset of both letters that the UN and UN/DPI are organizationally distinct entities, bound under the UN umbrella but separate organizationally, which I had stipulated to them at the outset of both of my letters. They advised me that being an "NGO" does not automatically indicate being a part of the UN, another fact of which I had advised them in both my letters to them. They asserted twice that they never joined the UN (which I never accused them of doing in the first place) but never answered my thrice repeated question of whether they joined the UN/DPI.

  And they accused me of apostasy. Hypocrites. White-washed graves. They cleanse the outside, but inside they are full of immoderateness and plunder. They figuratively stone those who presume to hold them accountable to their own words, just like the Jewish religious leaders stoned those in days of old. They are full of the blood of innocents they've slain.

  My mother tells my wife (an active JW) she misses me so badly...but she knows my phone number, she knows where I live, and to her I am dead simply because an organization killed me by edict.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  AuldSoul

  Minister Amos: Wouldn't go all out on that agree to the charter thing there Morocco. ; It seems as if there WAS a change in NGO policy after the WT signed up (or at least claims the society)

  Not true. The Watchtower Society only infers that there was a significant change in the Criteria for Association. While some of the criteria has been changed the primary criterion for any attachment to the UN/DPI has been and always will be support for the principles of the UN Charter, the preface to which principles requires support also for the purposes of the UN Charter.

  http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter1.htm

  Article 2 sets out the principles. On point #7 there is a reference to Chapter VII.

  http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm

  There is NO WAY one of Jehovah's Witnesses could voluntarily agree to support Principle #7 under Article 2, because it requires support for Chapter VII which is in direct violation of ehovah's Witness dogma regarding Isaiah 2:4 and is not remaining politically neutral in world affairs.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Flash

  ....years of doubts and other experiences made me think twice about the organization [generation change 1995] the deciding factor was the UN involvement.

  Respectfully,

  The Wanderer

  I can relate. Although, when a good friend first broke the news to me about the WTS and the UN, I cavalierly brushed it aside and belittled it, blaming the Apostates. In spite of my many legitimate complaints with the Society, I was still an apologist at heart.

  

  I got this picture from this Thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/117658/2065735/post.ashx#2065735