Witnesses coming to "visit" need help please (kinda long) (page 2)

TonyT

Just tell them that, while it gives you a tremendous sense of loss, your concience will not allow you to be a member of an organization that has had such close ties with the wild beast of Revelation.

sspo

If you cannot be df then be as open and sincere with them as you can be and lay the cards on the table.

Let them know some of the issues such as UN / Malawi-Mexico - 607/1914 that no scholar supports it.

Encourage them to look into it themselves, most of the witnesses still do not know about the involvement in the UN

That is exactly the stuff I am looking for to talk with them about.Things that will make them think as well. That 1914 stuff will work great just cause I remember when I was studying and we came to that part I was so confused and had her go over it for over 2 hours, plus she got lost a few times herself as well....THANKS!!!!

JWdaughter

Congratulations on your baby! How exciting:)

Just be honest, tell them that you saw theological and doctrinal issues that you could not reconcile and that you did not feel that the org. showed very good christian ethics at the time of your troubles with your ex (not them, but the org. policy was whacked). Because while individual JWs can be awesome people, they are supporting a wicked and evil organization, and you don't have to apologise to the good folks for leaving a bad organization. They need to confront the org. themselves if it is running off good people that are fine and decent friends.

AK - Jeff

First of all - congrats on the new addition to your family.

Second of all - congrats that, other than a couple of people you like and appreciated for thier kindness, you have no ties to the organization.

You most likely will not change them. They cannot change you without your approval [and that is what they want to do]. So the relationship is broken before it can resume, methinks.

I have seen a simple "I am no longer interested in your religion, and here are the reasons [tell them if u want about the things that bothered you]. You are welcome to stay a part of my life for as long as you like, as long as it has nothing to do with your religion."

That will do it. They have no other interest in you but 'conversion'. They will not, cannot by WTS theology, pursue any kind of longterm relationship with you otherwise. Deal done. They will call a time or two, you will repeat your position. They will discuss in the car group that you are 'too worldly' and they will stop coming by. Your failure to be baptized is the salvation here. They have no stake in you, and once you let them know it, Boom, they are outta there for good.

Jeff

snarf

Jwdaughter

Very well put. Simple and to the point and exactly what I want to say. It wasn't them or the people of this congregation, it was the difference in opinions between the congregations. My congo. was trying to help me prove his adultery by giving me suggestions and believing in me and seeing the proof for what it was. Who takes a gal to Florida for a weekend and rent one hotel room and nothing happened? It was his congo. that was hiding things for him and helping him come back with b.s. answers for his actions, and that was what ultimately got me thinking. I was told that the Org. was unified in all its beliefs, but when it came to my situation, the two congo.s had a huge difference of opinions.

jgnat

I'm thinking a nice thick sheaf of papers printed off the internet would do the trick. Wave it around a bit every time you make a point. If your primary interest is to make them go away, the sight of those papers will be enough.

If you are trying to make your old friend to see the light, that's a whole other strategy, and it can't be done in a single visit.

snarf

I don't want to change them. They were both brought up in very stong witness families, their entire families are still in and they are very happy in their little world. Also, I thought of printing off stuff (proof) that the WTS has wrong and the inaccuracies of the religion, but then all they would see is that I have been hanging out on "Apostate"sites and viewed as Satan's little helper. I want them to know the reason I left and will NEVER go back is because of things that I saw that were wrong and questioned on my own.

Thank you Jeff and JGNAT for your responses. All of the responses have been very helpful and very honest and have really helped me sit back and contemplate what I want to say and how to say it. I think the issues I will bring up are as follows:

Women oppressed in the religion

Being able to seperate, but no remarriage until a group of men decide there is proof enough of adultery

Differences of opinions between congos

Blood, you can't have a bag of it, but you can have parts of it

Partaking at memorial, Jesus instructed that all do it in remembrance of him, not only a handful

Kindergarten like antics of tattletale and gossip over stupid things (will word differently of course..lol)

Just because I don't go to 5 meetings a week and out in service doesn't mean I am less valuable in God's eyes and that I will die at Armageddon, only God knows my heart, no one else

I will also have the timelines available on 1914 for reference if needed and all the predictions of the end times, but I would like to keep things simple and basic to keep it short and sweet.

snarf

Does anyone have any links that could help me about the issue of why women can't be M.S., elders, P.O. or have any responsibility in the Org.?

AudeSapere

Snarf -

How about a comment or two about Jesus' words: "My yoke is kindly and my load is light"?

That struck a cord in me years before I left the org.

I like your approach. I think you can be direct without being mean. Just be honest and clear so they don't have un-realistic expectations about you returning to your study with them. Also, you could make it clear that you valued their support and friendship back then and would like to resume the friendship aspect but definitely not interested in studying. Clear, open, honest and direct. Maybe ask if that is something they would be interested in.

-Aude.

Witnesses coming to "visit" need help please (kinda long)

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