HIT with a Hammer

by Amazing 20 Replies latest jw friends

• 

  Amazing

  IN conjunction with my Appeal for Calm, I might add that when we are working on a construction project and hit our thumb with the hammer, we might scream, cuss, and throw the hammer at something out of a sense of anger with the event and with ourselevs.

  If my co-wroker hits me with the hammer, then I might turn and take a swing at him out of an immediate reactive sense to defend myself. Likely, I might cuss him out, scream, and threaten.

  As the pain subsides, I might then start to calm, and look at what happened and determine needs to take place. I could accept an apology and move on, or if I thought it was deliberate action on his part, I might take it to the boss and get some sense of justice.

  Our nation, and really all good nations, were hit with a hard hammer Tuesday. We were stunned, then felt anger as the pain set in. We have mostly struck back with words. Some defensive actions are now in place. But as our nation calms, I am sure our actions will be tempered with wise decisions. - Amazing
• 

  MacHislopp

  Hello Amazing,

  a very nice topic, dealt in a very

  illustrative way. I do hope sincerely in the outcome

  that you've presented:

  "...Some defensive actions are now in place. But as our nation calms, I am sure our actions will be tempered with wise decisions. - "

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
• 

  bigboi

  I agree Amazing:

  I still think those Extremists can and will pay for wh they've done to us. I have this nagging feeling that this is a bait though. We must prove ourselves superior to these creeps. This country stands for a lot. To lose any of our principles for the likes of them would be the same as acquiescing to them. Our leaders have a very heavy resposnsibilty before them. I hope they get the wisdom they need to deal with this.

  ONE....

  bigboi

  "life's a bitch a with a g-string and a twelve pack of Busch."
• 

  slipnslidemaster

  I just finished watching "The Century" on ABC. I found it not slightly coincedental that it was the one discussing Hitlers rise to power and the destruction of two Japanese cities with the Atomic Bomb.

  Even though I have been screaming to "nuke them" on the board, I surely have only used it as an expression to show how upset I am and how much I think that we should retaliate. But retaliate conventionally. I know full well that should we drop the bomb again, we will be starting WWIII if that hasn't been started already.

  Slipnslidemaster: "I don't know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
  - Albert Einstein
• 

  Deacon

  Gentlemen,

  Im sorry. I disagree with you.

  Had any of you been in a position of authority, or had the capability to retaliate immediately...you would have done.

  Im so glad that you didnt. Im so glad that you do not have WT authority to inflict your reactions upon others, Im so glad that you are just individuals with your own opinions, but no power to do what you threatened.

  Amazing, In getting in touch with your emotions, and emoting...you incited to war. You may no longer be an anointed JW, or indeed may have lost faith in God or christianity in the process, I dont know, and frankly.....but you also lost the fruitages of humanity and replaced them with a display of animalistic behavior in words and intent...you have lost the good things about being human and replaced them with the worst side..misplaced patriotism...you and other would have plunged us, including those of us that have lost friends, into a conflict that we did not want or see as sorting out the problems...and given us NO choice in the process.

  The government may yet listen to the opinions of people like you and waste further lives in the pursuit of angry revenge.. time will tell.

  You are no longer amazing to me...just very human with a lot to say...just dont include me in warmongering..Ive been in the trenches..literally....Ive been in the KH...

  its all happened before..terrorism plus patriotism equals loss of life...every time..history proves it..

  this is a link that might help you to understand yourselves

  . http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/goldman/sp000064.txt
• 

  Amazing

  Deacon: The term "Amazing" was never about me, but a shortened from of the term 'Simply Amazing' and had to do with so many things discovered as I left the JW religion. So, it was not meant to impress anyone with anything about me.

  As for the rest of your post, I think you need to look in the mirror, and see that you are very judgmental, very ignorant, and limited in your understanding of people and how a talk forum is just that -- a place to explore, vent, and learn.

  In real life, I am very calm, moderate, and am slow to make important decisions. Just yesterday, I completed Jury duty in Chicago where we came to a unanimous verdict. I served with an Arab on the team. We all took our responsibility seriously. We debated at length the evidence, and tried hard to see both sides. When real power is placed in peoples hands, the average good adult will rise to the ocassion. And I feel confident in that happening in Jury yesterday.

  I also represent clients, and manage other peoples business, including interactions with the public, courts, judges, etc. All these require, yes demand, that I remain calm, use good judgment, and seek wisdom and counsel of others before making decisions and taking actions.

  But, while I normally do all that in my everyday working life, I find that I, like so many others, need an outlet where I can voice strong opinions, change my position, and explore information. This is one of those venues where I can safely do that. So your judgments of me suggest that you also forget the purpose and circumstance of an Internet forum, and have blurred your fantasies with realities.

  I hold no ill feeling for you, but I hope that you will broaden your scope of vision and expand the chambers of your heart to be a little less judgmental and a little more understanding. - Amazing
• 

  MacHislopp

  Hello Amazing,

  I did like the link from Deacon,

  very interesting, and I do like your final comment:

  "...I hope that you will broaden you scope of vision and expand the chambers of your heart to be a little less judgmental and a little more understanding. -"

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
• 

  buffalosrfree

  Deacon, Hi I sometimes enjoy your posts and sometimes not, that is life, however with all that has happened since Tuesday,many people have vented here on this forum.

  We however as a nation have to do something, closing our eyes and taking away freedoms we have earned through bloodshed isn't what I call taking care of the problem.

  It seems to me that the authorities, i.e. this administration and government seem to want to start sniping at our liberties. If in fact the administration has more information that we don't, then I believe that we should know if they know that more attacks are planned. Just maybe we can be alert and take action we deem necessary.

  I for one am not ready to give up any of our liberties, this bs i keep hearing about the airports is just another step toward taking away our personal liberty. I keep hearing we our under attack and that is more bs under attack where, it was an act of terrorism, is that the excuse thats needed to replace liberty with no liblerty.

  I do know this, if people had been armed on those airplanes those bastards wouldn't have been able to do what they did. In fact it surprises me that they can take over an aircraft with only knives for christ sake. Weren't there any men around there, or is everyone so conditioned to having someone else take care of them they can no longer stand up and take care of things. Those on the one aircraft seem to have done so and they are true heros in my estimation.

  I believe like the hammer thing amazing mentioned we have to use a hammer on the terrorist wherever they are, just like a carpenter uses a hammer on nails not on the surrounding wood. This administration needs to put its efforts into finding out just who was involved and putting and end to them then we will have security, but harassing people at the airports, violating their rights against unlawful search and seizure isn't they way to do it. We weren't the guilty party and i for one don't like being treated like i was the guilty one(s). My safety my ass, make them feel unsafe don't make me feel as if I have been imprisoned in my own country. Just my venting today. Buff
• 

  Deacon

  it would have been amazing, amazing, if you had concurred with any of the points I made.
  Why do you feel the need to justify yourself in the other side of your life? We only see what you post here, and in the expressions and terms and emotions that you choose to display as and when you post.

  Yes, this is a discussion board, and in venting, and in emoting, and in stating intent....you open yourself up to letting out the real you...and in return you gainsay, as is your intent, opinions and rebuttals and concurrences of your stated words.

  I understand you very well. My reading comprehension is above average. I am not as ignorant or judgemental as you may like to infer, or indeed state, but as always, you are entitled to your opinion.

  You refer to blurring fantasy with reality. Hmm...When your fantasy of killing people for the emotion of anger inside to be avenged, turns into a reality, and you are on the other end of the weapon of death...it turns into a nightmare...one in which you will never escape...and spend the rest of your life justifying.

  So I thank you for your suggestions, I thank you for explaining that you really are a cool calm and collected person...and I thank you for making me realise that your posts didnt really mean what they said...and you were just venting.

  Strange..when schoolkids wrote on websites that they hated teachers and other kids and wanted to kill them...they were arrested.
• 

  Deacon

  buff..

  I take a much broader view re: life.

  There are very many reasons for wanting to do something about this issue. Someone has infringed on the right to live for a lot of people. They took life for a religious/political/hatred viewpoint.

  Now, the decision to be made by those in authority, is how to prevent it from happening again, and what to do, and to whom.

  As Americans, you see a number of aspects to what is happening. As a human, as a Dr and as someone with a few years left of this mortal life...I see life as important.

  That does not mean that I condone the existence of those dedicated to the destruction of others.

  I hurt too. I lost colleagues.

  For those dead, and for those alive, we would like to see the cessation of acts of atrocities such as this. And if that means governmental action on the perpertrators, well that is the governments right...in law.

  It happened in the Bible times too.

  keeping cool about things..and hurting inside...without inciting others..why, that is akin to a lynching mob..rousing each other..it happened here on the board...and in a lynching..many times innocent persons get hung.

  I cannot bring back a single person...and I miss some so very much. But I can keep a sort of balance here, by reading history and leaving time to see things more clearly...