Sept. 06 Awake! - Part 1 - Evolution

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  • Amazing
    Amazing

    The September 2006 Awake! bearing the title, "Is There a Creator?" dedicates the entire magazine to the topic of evolution. It is filled with false argumentation, manipulation, and distortion of facts, logic, and common sense. I need to develop my counter-arguments in several parts.

    Page 3, Whom Should You Believe? The Society opens with the scripture, "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." - Hebrews 3:4 Then it opens up with the question, "Do YOU agree with the logic of this Bible writer?"

    The verse they quote has nothing to do with logic. It is a claim, or a statement of fact or opinion. But, the JW reader will subtly get the impression that the Society is employing sound logic, simply because they use the word, logic. And of course, the JW is primed right away to submit to the article's views, for who can argue with the Apostle paul, or with God? But, the verse itself is lifted out of context, distorted to say something that the Apostle Paul did not say, and is nothing more than manipulation.

    Here is the context from the King James Version:

    Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. - Hebrews 3:1-6

    The verse is talking about the House of Israel as a nation of God's building work. Likewise, Christ is the one who builds his own house of followers, the Christian Church. The verse talks about more honor given to the builder of these spiritual houses than to the house itself. (This is a concept foreign to the House of Watchtower, which has more honor than God in practice.) The verse has nothing to do with the physical construction of the universe, nor with how God may have performed this activity. The verse is a stated view of a religious belief, and not to be confused with scientific facts and evidence. The "every house being built by some man" has more to do with how men may build up families (house), or tribes (house), or a nation (house), but in this case, God is the final source of the house building of a nation or a congregation.

    Next an unspecified Newsweek magazine from 2005 is quoted regarding a "recent" survey of biologists, physicists, and mathematicians showing that almost 40% believe that God listens to and answers prayers. What this has to do with science is beyond me. So what is expert professionals believe in God and pray? That does not deal with the issue of creation or evolution. What the Society is trying to do is show that even educated people believe in God, so there must be something to it.

    Then the Society cites a Dr. Herbert A. Hauptman, a Nobel Laureate, as saying that belief in God is incompatible with good science. Assuming that the Society did not lift his comments out of context, then his words are just as meaningless as those made by fundamentalists on the creation side of the debate. Science is not about making beliefs in God, or even the Tooth Fairy compatible with anything. They are two very different topics; and if God exists, then obviously science is not going to be incompatible with his existence.

    Dr. Herbert Hauptman is not a biologist, or paelentologist, or any of the related disciplines which one would associate with studies in evolution. Rather, he is a mathematician, and has only had one course in Chemistry. Here are some comments about him from the Hauptman-Woodward medical Institute:

    After more than 20 years with the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C., Herbert A. Hauptman, Ph.D. joined the staff of the Hauptman-Woodward Medical Research Institute in 1970. He was looking for a fresh venue in which to quietly practice his craft. Then, in 1985, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded him the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, changing his life forever. A mathematician by training, Dr. Hauptman would seem to be an unlikely candidate for the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. However, upon further investigation, the reasons for this award become obvious. Although he had taken only one chemistry course in his life, he was able to use classical mathematics to resolve an issue that had stymied chemists for decades. - Source: http://www.hwi.buffalo.edu/Hauptman/Nobel_Laureate.html

    I am an electrical engineer by training and 25-years of practice in nuclear power design and operation, with a strong background in material science, and destructive testing. This does not mean that because I believe or do not believe in God, that my comments have in relevance to the subject of evolution. But, the Society takes this man's comments to draw a sharp contrast so that JWs who read the article get the sense that scientists, people of expertise and authority, are either strongly for or against God and creation. This give the subtle impression that one must take this seriously and make a decision one way or the other.

    The Punch Line: The above is followed up with this Watchtower exhortation: "You can let others tell you what you are allowed to think and believe. Or you may wish to investigate some of the evidence yourself and reach your own conclusion." If only JWs could be "allowed" to reach their own conclusions! Those of us who did make up our own minds, however, had to examine and research far more than "some" of the evidence ... we had to dig through nearly 100-years of Watchtower material, along with much more secular information to demonstrate to ourselves that the Watchtower Society and the bulk of its teachings are a load of bovine excrement.

    The Box at the bottom of page 3 asks: "Are Jehovah's Witnesses Creationists?" In this little exercise, the Society tries to draw a distinction between themselves and fundamentalists Young Earth Creationists simply because the Society does not accept that God created the universe in seven literal days; and they note that because the JWs do not get involved in the political-legislative aspects, that also makes them different from creationists. You will notice that the Society does not mention its long held view that each creative day is 7,000-years long, making the entire process of the first six creative days 42,000 years. Science has proven that humans and other organisms have been on the earth far longer than 42,000 years. Perhaps the Society is quietly dropping this view. Also, what they fail to say is that much of their anti-evolution publications use Young Earth Creationists materials to wage their campaign against evolution. And while it is true the JWs do not push for legislative changes to allow Intelligent Design to be taught in public schools, the Society strongly encourages JW children and parents to place the Creation book and related Watchtower and Awake! articles with their teachers, school administrators, etc. Who do they think they are fooling? They are involved in a campaign of influence that is just as involved as if they voted.

    Stay tuned for Part 2: "What Does Nature teach?" and see how the Society developes this topic with their brand of thought processes.

    Jim Whitney

  • Sailor Ripley
    Sailor Ripley

    I read this whole Awake and in particular the articles/propaganda of which you write while in my Doctor's office today. I was utterly disgusted.

    I really like how the last few pages are spent lauding the knowledge of degreed "scientists", yet the young Jehobees of today are taught to not consider this same educational path.

  • Outaservice
    Outaservice

    I'm a little undecided Jim, as I had an Uncle that I thought for sure was the 'missing link'!

    Outaservice

  • brutusmaximus
    brutusmaximus

    I must have fell asleep at a meeting cause I was sure that it was a 1,000 years per day and 7,000 years in total to build everything, am I wrong

    Bamboozled BM

  • carla
    carla

    bttt

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Brutus,

    The 7,000-year per creative-day teaching goes something like this: Adam created in 4026 BCE plus the year 1975 CE minus 1 year because of no year zero = 6,000 years. Add 1,000 years for the Kingdom rule under Jesus Christ in the New System, and you get 7,000 years. Since Adam was created at the very end of the 6th creative day, then a creative day in God's time table must be 7,000 years long. Since God worked six days and rested on the seventh, the total creative work week is 42,000 years, plus one 7,000 year rest day = 49,000 years. This is also propheticially a type of the fact that the Israelites celebrated Jubilees of freedom every seven years, and a major Jubileee sevn times that, or once every forty-nine years. Using the 1,000 years for a day principle found in the New Testament, then the Israeli 49-year Jubilee is a prophetic type of the creative wrok week ... 49 years x 1,000-years for a day equals 49,000 years.

    It is all so clear. But this is Watchtower teaching. The problem is that it all fell apart when Armageddon did not happen in 1975. So, the Society then stated that the end of the 6th creative day must have happened after Eve's creation. Since we do not know exactly how long it was that God waited to create Eve, and we do not know exactly how long it was that he allowed Adam and Eve to be together before declaring an end to the 6th creative day, then we really do not know exactly when the end of the 6,000 years takes place. But it has to be close, anytime now, because we are a generation since 1914, and Armageddon is due any day now, right around the corner.

    Jim Whitney

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Amazing, check this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/national/23believers.html?ex=1282449600&en=affec45468b0ff25&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    New York Times:

    At a recent scientific conference at City College of New York, a student in the audience rose to ask the panelists an unexpected question: "Can you be a good scientist and believe in God?"

    Reaction from one of the panelists, all Nobel laureates, was quick and sharp. "No!" declared Herbert A. Hauptman, who shared the chemistry prize in 1985 for his work on the structure of crystals.

    Belief in the supernatural, especially belief in God, is not only incompatible with good science, Dr. Hauptman declared, "this kind of belief is damaging to the well-being of the human race."

    ....

    steve

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Stevenyc,

    Thanks for finding the quote. The Society once again failed to cite the actual source. My above posting went ahead and presumed the Society made a correct quote of what Dr. Hauptman said. The problem is, as I pointed out, what scientists believe, or do not believe, is irrelevant to science. Unfortunately, creationists, including JWs, highlight this bias on the part of many scientists in order to discredit them as irreligious babboons who will not be honest in their scientific findings. This then paves the way for inexperienced and uneducated JWs, and other creationists, to be more accepting and trusting of the material published by pro-creation groups, and more skeptical of the work of science, especially in the field of evolution.

    Thanks again for confirming the quote. Jim Whitney

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    More Quotes

    Awake:

    In the United Sataes, for example, a survey conducted by newsweek magazine in 2005 found that 80 percent of people "believe the God created the universe"

    What Newsweek actually said:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10118787/site/newsweek/page/3/

    So it's not surprising that, down to the present day, fundamentalist Christians have been suspicious of Darwin and his works—or that in the United States, where 80 percent of the population believe God created the universe, less than half believe in evolution. Some believers have managed to square the circle by mapping out separate realms for science and religion.

    steve

  • brutusmaximus
    brutusmaximus

    Jim

    Thanks for clearing that up I wonder how many in the borg know and understand that?? If I was to ask someone they would most likely give you the answer I gave, I think

    Thanks

    BM

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