:I do not think that our government planned the attacks but I do think they let it happen
God help us all if that were true.
Dismembered
Pilot admits to shooting down 93 receives medal for it
by skyking 53 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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Dismembered
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monkeyshine
Jimbo---"They tuk r jobbs"
I am seriously ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY ASS OFF here!!!FINALLY!!! I thought no one was going to catch that.
Let me offer a piece of advice for you Britboy---"If you're going to the pool, don't forget to bring a towel."
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Jourles
My first impression of the pilot's statement was the same as what any politician would say on camera -
"I can neither confirm nor deny..."
We should treat this pilot's statement the same way. Just because someone refuses to comment doesn't mean they are hiding something.
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JWdaughter
LongHairGal said:
Sorry if I sound like a conspiracy theorist but I, for one, always believed it was shot down and I don't blame anybody for doing this if it happens to be true. But, because I believe our government feels that it would be unhealthy for its citizens to believe this, they can fake the results and make it look like it did a nose-dive caused by the hijackers. I am not impressed by any "reconstruction" they do in an airline hangar because this can always be faked by experts. The gov. is simply not comfortable with the people thinking or knowing this could have been done deliberately so I do believe they would deny, deny, deny, no matter what! I also feel the same way about that other airliner that went down in Long Island Sound some years back which was rumored to have been accidentally shot down by a missile. LHG
I say it was sure accomodating of Osama and crew to go along with it and claim responsibility and to thoughtfully continue to do so as more terrorist attacks happen in other parts of the world.
The government has not been in a deny mode, from what I hear. They don't spend much time from what I can see answering crazy accusations.
I have a family friend, I have known him all my life who is one of the guys who goes to accident scenes to examine wreckage. He is fully supportive of the war-more so than I, and he actually has first hand information of 2 of those airliner crash scenes.
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skyking
Seeker4 I took the liberty of copying and pasting your post below to Word Pad guess what you had words misspelled and several grammar errors not to over look your very long paragraph. Look at the rafter in your eye before trying remove one from mine. Below is the corrected post
Calm down and stop screaming at me, and you might want to ease up on the exclamation points. Also, it does little to add credibility to your outrageous ideas that you use poor grammar and spelling.
Here is the excerpt on this from the actual article in PM, which explains why he wouldn't comment on the claim - he didn't want to encourage people like you. F-16 Pilot CLAIM: In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid-flight at precisely 0958." FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but also to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter.
I get angry at the misinformation out there." S4
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monkeyshine
What's up with the bickering? Is this a spelling contest? What's my word?
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skyking
Yes. He is the one that keeps pointing out spelling errors and making comments that lead you the reader to believe that if the person posting, can't even spell the poster could not be as smart as he is. Why else would he bring up spelling?
Word Pad is a computer program that checks for spelling and grammar errors. I thought it was funny to find so many errors in his posts. I have put at least twenty of his posts onto WORD PAD and have found lots and lots of spelling errors, and grammar errors. I guess he is not to smart, from now on, I will type slower when I answer his posts so he has time to read them.
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monkeyshine
I guess he is not to smart,
Actually, it's TOO smart. But who's checking?
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skyking
LOL I'm bad
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clovis
Date Published: 2006-09-06
You?ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million
Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.
Mr. Silverstein?s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin?s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines ? two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.
Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.
Another little ?coincidence? -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against ?terrorist attacks?.
Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion ? a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.
There?s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected ?terrorist? attack demolished the buildings completely.
WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed ? exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.
How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:
"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, ?Pull? is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.
One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history ? including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building?s tenants:
US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank
The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.
Incidentally, it?s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry?s closest friends ? a person with whom it?s said he speaks almost daily by phone ? is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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