by rolling rock 25 Replies latest jw friends
Welcome RollingRock (my favortie beer) and Lizard!
I am glad that so far you enjoy this site....it's about time you started posting!!!
Anyway....Rock, I would go with this approach.....you should search the forum database for the molestation by elders stories, print them, and read them to mom.
For Dad, you should tell him or show him the list of WTS Chronology, I am sure someone here can provide the link.
Those are the two things that I think are the most shocking.
Good luck!
Joanne
Hi, welcome to the board rolling rock.
I can attest to the fact that the sloooow way works the best. It's so tempting to want to throw a bunch of stuff at someone when you have the chance, but slow is better.
Also, how is it that JW's and new JW's fall for all the Watchtower lies in the first place? Not the info, of course, its lies. It's the presentation. One piece at a time, little by little. One person at a time, little by little.
Best of luck to you.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
Hi, welcome to the board rolling rock and LizardSnot.
Take it slow with your folks. As much as you love them you have to be prepared for the eventuality that they may never want the truth.
I would recommend that you don't bring up any JW related subject at all. Wait until they talk to you and gently ask questions (in a mild way) that helps them to think. In the meantime, do all the research you can on a variety of issues so that you have the facts clear.
Howdy Rolling Rock and Lizard Snot - makes me smile every time I sound that out btw.
I have a nephew named Chad - and his parents love him dearly. However, his father in particular is a hard nosed elder. I know, because we had lunch with him the other day.
Sometimes I think adult jw's get away with acting *higher than thou* with their children or their older parents for an obvious reason - they don't deal with these individuals as equals.
My brother-in-law verbally jumped at my husband (who is reknowned for have a *stiff neck* - elder's words for him). My husband (4 yrs older than his kid brother -58 and 54) kinda smirked at him like "who the hell do you think you're talking to?" He refused to play the elder game, his brother cooled off then. I just started to talk to other people at the table and wouldn't converse with "the elder."
I hadn't seen this side of my b-i-l before. I wasn't impressed.
I guess my point is - enjoy your life as you wish it & don't play the jw game. It will hurt you. If you stay as an adult with your own boundries, I think you'll allow your parents to see you as an adult, and hopefully treat you that way.
If you've not read Crisis of Conscience or In Search of Christian Freedom by Ray Franz - I highly recommend them. There's so much information about your family religion in them - and no "apostate" hatred.
As others have said, a slow presentation might work with your parents. There is a thread about the involvement of the WTBTS (partners) with the United Nations. Good information on something that has been taught as totally taboo since the inception of the UN.
It might be worthwhile to go to http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/list54.htm A printout showing the Watchtower & Bible Tract Society of New York as an approved "partner" with the UN website address at the bottom is significant, imho.
Welcome to you both - and be aware - this is an open forum with rare moderation action. If you find something you don't care for - just click out and go to another thread.
waiting
Hiya, Rolling Rock and Lizard Snot!
You guys make me think of Pennsylvania [the beer ref] and Texas -- where my cousin has a four-foot Iguana which she threatens to leave to me in her will!!!
Don't have much time this AM, but wanted to say
Welcome to the Board!
outnfree
Par dessus toutes choses, soyez bons. La bonte est ce qui ressemble le plus a Dieu et ce qui desarme le plus les hommes -- Lacordaire
Waiting, hi I went to the url www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/list54.htm and I didn't find the society listed at least under WTBTS are they listed in some other way???? Buff
G'day rollingrock and welcome aboard!
How about asking your parents if they believe that Jesus is their mediator?
Chances are it would be news to them to learn that the WTS teach that Jesus is the mediator for the 144,000 only.
If your folks are of the G.C. they miss out. Of course, they do obatin the benefits of the ransom in association with the anointed remnant. Ain't that nice to know!
Cheers,
Ozzie
"It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."
Anonymous
Thanks to all for the warm hearted welcome. I've been reading your threads for sometime now and have really gotten alot of good information from you. :)
Howdy Buffalosfree,
This is a whole thread on the subject - and will give the proper clicks to the information - plus as explanation of the site:
.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10732&site=3#142434
The thread's called United Nations, NGO's and WTBTS if my click doesn't work. You can find it by doing a search within the last 7 days.
Enjoy - it's a Brave New World that the WTBTS is trying to achieve.
waiting
Thank you all for the nice words... I will keep no reading your fourm and post from time to time...
Thanks Chad
