You Apostates obviously did not read the effing article.
It clearly states "those who CHOOSE to give."
The WTBS is not ASKING for money it is merely accepting what members choose to give it.
Now get on board the chariot.
HAPPINESS IS ....Giving us your MONEY!!!!!!!!
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Gill
MinisterAmos - I take it that you're being funny, in which case .
However!!! If you're being serious, we know there is no 'choose' in the Watchtower organization, not without repurcussions anyway.
You can 'choose' to have blood transfusion or not.
You can 'choose' to go to the meetings or not.
You can 'choose' to go out in FS or not.
But all of them have repurcussions. You have choice BUT you have to accept what happens if you choose wrong.
It's all about 'Free Will', you know! You have the Free Will to do what God (the bOrg) say, but woe betide you 'free will' wrong!
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OnTheWayOut
It clearly states "those who CHOOSE to give."
I was LOL at the chariot part of your comment.
But the poster after you was right. There is no "choosing."
A letter was read to the BOE about the yearly expenses for
the CO's health insurance and automobile. The letter mentions
those who "choose" to donate more than the set amount.
One elder said that this was said for a reason. We are
supposed to give MORE. While I did not agree, the measure
passed. I was not present when the congregation voted to
support the amount, but it was not mentioned that our share
"COULD" be less than the one we were voting on. -
roflcopter
I wonder how the kids will feel if their parents decide to leave all their inheritance money to the Watch Tower.
Unfortunatly I have found out that "us apostate kids" will not be recieving a single thing from our very wealthy parents. It is in fact Gods loving organization that will recieve every red cent. Makes me want to cry and puke at the same time.
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enlightenedcynic
How about when the wts loans money to congregations to renovate or rebuild their kh's but then demands repayment WITH interest! What happened to all that Kingdom Hall Building Fund money that the wts receives from each congregation? What a f***ing brilliant scam these guys have going.
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reganashe
Im one of those lucky kids, my parents are leaving everything to WTC which includes 2 homes in southern CA. My mom said she is leaving me with $8000 dollars to bury her and the hummel figure i want. I let her know that she could leave her debt with the WTC too. She is raising my neice and nephew poor things are going to be screwed when my parents pass away. At least i might get a chance to un brainwash the poor little kiddos
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LanDi
Well, Donating to the Kingdom work is a beautiful thing - it enables all mankind to learn the truth. It is your duty to free yourself of blood guilt and rescue the world from Satans system. Please give all you can, work 18 hours a week as a cleaner, spend every second of the day on the ministry, evangelize constantly. It is YOUR duty to save those you love.
Well, let's look at this logically. I go to someones door for example, and peddle the Watchtower. Lets take a look :
ME : Hi there, we would like you to know about our beautiful truths [blah blah]
POTENTIAL VICTIM : Can you please explain the benefits of joining your religion:
ME (Wolf in sheeps clothing) : Yes, gladly. You will give us your entire devotion, accept our commands and instruction and our translations of the scriptures without question. We will control your life, your life will be devoted to getting us more followers and it will be a serious sin for you not to preach to people about us every chance you see. We will control even your work habits, your career, your friends will all have to go, and your family too, if we can - because they're under Satans influence. Your discussions will revolve around the ministry from now on, under guidance from our "mother" the ever loving Watchtower Society. You belong to us. We own you and God will be wrathful if we don't. We also [ I look away at this point] allow alledged peodophiles to be head of our congregation - and you must respect them. Do uyou have any children?
POTENTIAL VICTIM : No I don't
ME: Good. Because, if they ever need a blood transfusion, we demand you let them die.
POTENTIAL VICTIM : Bit mean, dont you think?
ME: It is loyalty to God. If you fall in love, we reserve the right to refuse the union, if your potential soulmate isn't agreeable to us. That person must be fully immersed in our way of thinking.
POTENTIAL VICTIM: What If I question anything you teach, along scriptural lines, of course?
ME: Then, you are an apostate, an agent of Satan potentially and your life is in danger. If it doesn't look right - ignore it. The WTS are Gods mouthpiece and only they must be obeyed. Ignore all discrepancies. No matter what. Even if it looks like we are lying.
POTENTIAL VICTIM : You sound like a dangerous cult. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
ME:You have been mislead by Satan and will be destroyed. Please turn back.
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eduardoalarcon
Here is just one case regarding the National Heritage Foundation Web page: http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=SEC-LegalDocs&id=27515&v=Default State of Maine Office of Securities 21 State House Station Augusta, Maine 04333-0121 IN RE: NOTICE OF INTENT 06-073 JAMES L. CLIFFORD ALLEGATIONS 1. James L. Clifford (“Clifford”) (CRD # 1419478) is an individual who has been licensed in Maine as a sales representative or agent since at least 1985. His last known address is 955 Eastern Avenue, Holden, Maine 04429. 2. From December 4, 1997, to the present, Clifford has worked as a sales representative or agent at the Brewer, Maine, branch office of Investors Capital Corp. (“ICC”). 3. Pearl P. Schoppe (“Ms. Schoppe”) was a life-long resident of Orono, Maine, and the valedictorian of the 1936 graduating class of Husson College in Bangor, Maine. 4. In May of 1996 Ms. Schoppe established a living trust (the “Schoppe Trust”) with herself as trustee and with two of her relatives designated as trustees upon her death. The original trust document directed that upon Ms. Schoppe’s death, after payment of any of Ms. Schoppe’s debts, expenses and taxes, and certain distributions, the remainder of the trust property was to be held in trust for Husson College with income distributions to fund a scholarship program. 5. Ms. Schoppe was conservative with her investments. She essentially bought only certificates of deposits and fixed annuities. 6. In October of 1998, Ms. Schoppe, then age 80, amended the trust document to, among other things, change the trustee upon her death to Clifford. The amendment also changed the provision regarding the distribution of the remainder of her trust property. As amended, instead of the property being held in trust for Husson, the trust instrument dictated that the property was to be “distributed to the National Heritage Foundation F.B.O. Pearl P. Schoppe Foundation.” 7. The charitable purpose stated by Ms. Schoppe on the National Heritage Foundation application was “Assist students of the Greater Bangor/Brewer, Orono/Old Town, ME area who need financial aid to attend Husson College. To be paid out interest only 80% of interest to go to students, 20% of the interest to go back into the Foundation so foundation will continue to grow.” 8. Ms. Schoppe died on January 19, 2000. 9. On March 7, 2000, in Singer Island, Florida, Clifford and John T.”Dock” Houck, II, CEO of National Heritage Foundation, (“NHF”) completed the paperwork for “National Heritage Foundation Inc. FBO Pearl Schoppe FNDTN” to purchase a $150,000 variable annuity from Conseco Variable Annuity Insurance Company through ICC, using funds from the Schoppe Trust. 10. On May 11, 2000, Clifford sent an additional $50,000 from the Schoppe Trust’s checking account to Conseco to add to the variable annuity. 11. The subaccounts chosen by Clifford and Houck were largely more-risky growth funds, when Ms. Schoppe’s stated intent and investment history dictated the use of more conservative income-producing investments. 12. The variable annuity sold by Clifford to the foundation was unsuitable for the charitable purposes expressed by Ms. Schoppe. There was no tax benefit and no value to having a death benefit on the life of Mr. Houck to offset the higher costs and reduced liquidity of the investment. 13. Clifford received $12,600 in commissions on these transactions. In addition, Clifford has paid himself trustee fees exceeding $42,000.00 from the trust assets despite the fact that he appears to have provided little if any valuable services to the trust. 14. Since the purchase of the variable annuity in March of 2000, Husson College has received no scholarship money from the Pearl P. Schoppe Foundation. 15. Under federal law, variable annuities are securities and the offer and sale of variable annuities is regulated by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”) under the Securities Act of 1933 and Securities Exchange Act of 1934. 16. The NASD is a national securities association registered with the SEC under §15A and in accordance with the provision of §19(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. 17. NASD Rules are filed with the SEC and promulgated under §19(b) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. NASD rules apply to “all members and persons associated with a member. Persons associated with a member shall have the same duties and obligations as a member” under the association’s rules. NASD Rule 0115. 18. ICC is a member of NASD and Clifford is a person associated with ICC. 19. NASD Rule 2310 requires that a member have reasonable grounds for believing that a recommended purchase is suitable for a customer based on the facts disclosed by the customer including the customer’s investment objectives. 20. By virtue of his training and experience, Clifford knew the requirements of NASD Rule 2310. Through his customer relationship with Ms. Schoppe, Clifford knew her investment objectives and the charitable purpose for which she established the Pearl P. Schoppe Foundation. Thus, Clifford intentionally or knowingly failed to comply with NASD Rule 2310. 32 M.R.S.A. §10313(1)(B). 21. By using funds of the Schoppe Trust to purchase an unsuitable investment, Clifford engaged in unlawful or unethical conduct in the securities business. 32 M.R.S.A. §10313(1)(G). 22. Pursuant to 32 M.R.S.A. §§10313 and 16702, the Securities Administrator may, after notice and opportunity for hearing, issue an order to revoke the license of a licensee or impose a bar on a licensee if the Securities Administrator finds that the order is in the public interest and that the licensee: (1) has engaged in unlawful, unethical or dishonest conduct in the securities business; or (2) has intentionally or knowingly violated or failed to comply with a rule under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. NOTICE Notice is hereby given that the Securities Administrator intends to issue an Order to Revoke Clifford’s Agent License and Censure Him or Bar Him from Association under 32 M.R.S.A. §§10313(1) and 16702(1). If Clifford wants to request a hearing in this matter, he must do so in writing within thirty (30) calendar days of the date of this Notice of Intent. 32 M.R.S.A. §§10708, 16702(1). Date: November 28, 2006 /s/ Michael J. Colleran ` Michael J. Collera Securities Administrator Date: November 28, 2006 /s/ Bonnie E. Russell Bonnie E. Russell Assistant Securities Administrator Date: November 28, 2006 /s/ Willis P. Smedberg Willis P. Smedberg Investigator/Examiner Last Updated: December 20, 2006 4:42 PM Posted by: Eduardo Alarcon 19319 Inverness Dr. Spicewood, TX 78669 (512) 217-6655 [email protected]
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Open mind
So eduardoalarcon, is there a JW connection to the legal wrangling you posted?
Just curious.
OM