Do you feel that the "Rapture" is close now that you are a christian?

by booker-t 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Hi Star -

    you got the scripture right that people use for the "rapture" teaching but I don't believe you can spiritualize this verse. In other words say this means "spiritually dead". The reason being when Paul made the statement he said "we" who are still alive. in this "we" he includes himself and therefore means believers. He was saying those (believers) who die would not recieve their reward (heavenly nature) ahead of them but rather when Christ comes again, those believers in the graves will be raised and at the same time - "we" believers alive on earth will be taken up too. That is when the corruptable puts on the incoruptable meaning we have a change of nature to the heavenly one. And we will be able to be with the Lord in the heavenly realm. Only believers recieve this change of nature. Read all of that verse in corinthians. This is what the "rapture" comes from although this word is not in the bible. What do "we" do in heaven - reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

    I noticed you quoted the other text Daniel 12 that speaks about the same thing. Matthew 24 also mentions taking up believers to go to heaven. One thing though it is not uncommon for events in the bible to be included in one paragraph yet, they take place in different time periods. Although Daniel shows two types of people being raised, believers and non-believers, most bible scholars agree that in light of other scriptures these events take place at different times. One scripture used to support this view is Revelation 20:4,5

    The rest of the dead - (unbelievers) do not come alive until the 1,000 years has ended. See Revelation 20:4,5.

    Just a note: the WT teaches if "we" reign we must reign over others on the earth and thus there are two classes of Christians. The reigning with Christ in Revelation clearly shows reigning in heaven not over the earth as the other dead are not alive at that time. In other words, there are no subjects on earth to reign over.

    There are many theories about what happens to those left on earth. Too complicated to get into at this time. As far as when this will happen, being taken to heaven that is - Jesus said "no one knows the date and hour but only the father in heaven knows" and admonished us to stay awake not to be concerned with a date and time. Christians even in Jesus day lived in expectation that it could occur at any time but as someone else already pointed out, it could be many years away. We just do not know. Lilly

  • undercover
    undercover

    I used to see these bumper stickers that said something about when the rapture comes "this car will be unattended" or something like that. Then I saw a great retort sticker..."When the rapture comes, can I have your car?"

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow
    Have you traded one Lie "Armaggeddon is around the corner" that JW's insist on to jump ship and believing another

    Not me. I haven't got involved with another religion, and I have no intention of doing so.

    25 years of wts crap was more than enough for me.

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR
    For all ex-jw's that are now born-again christians. Do you now believe that the "Rapture" is close? Have you traded one Lie "Armaggeddon is around the corner" that JW's insist on to jump ship and believing another "Lie" by born-agains that the "Rapture is very close". When will the madness end? It is like jumping off one merry-go-round for another merry-go-round.

    Your questions assume that all Christians are pre-tribulational dispensationalists. This is a false assumption. I would suggest you read some systematic theology books in order to get a better understanding of the differences in modern Christian theology eschatology.

  • aniron
    aniron

    Not all "born-again" Christians believe in a Rapture.

  • crazyblondeb
    crazyblondeb

    I agree with blondie and warlock. Blondie sang it best!!!

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    I consider myself a Christian but I DON'T believe in The Rapture as the born-agains do.......

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Isn't The Rapture an invention of Baptists and other fundamentalists?

  • XJW4EVR
    XJW4EVR

    There are some Dispensationalist scholars that claim to be able to trace the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture to a Church Father or two (I do not recall the names of the scholars or the Church Fathers at this point).

    The main proponent of Dispensationalism is a gentlemen by the last name of Darby. He was part of the Plymouth Bretheren movement. It has become the predominate eschatological view within modern Evangelicalism now. However, there have been a number of scholars that have moved towards post-tribulationalism, and even preterism.

    I am not in any particular camp. They all have good points and problems.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Mainstream Christians know that the second coming will be totally unexpected so it can come tomorrow or after many centuries. The adventists and their jW offshoot were wrong in trying to set dates and indeed all their dates failed though they unrepentently never see their error and go on setting new dates.

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