Indisputable/physical facts

by Norm 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Norm
    Norm

    In the bizarre world that exists within the Watchtower Society headquarters in Brooklyn you can find all kinds of strange statements. Particularly funny is the use of the expressions “indisputable/physical facts.” These are the words the writing department uses when they have absolutely zero arguments for something. Let us look at some of these masterpieces from Brooklyn.

    *** w50 7/1 204 Steps Toward Life ***
    In the Bible are the indisputable facts that prove that death is the result of sin,which comes upon all men by inheritance; that to Jehovah God belongs salvation; that the greatest crisis of all time is at hand, when the wicked will be destroyed at Armageddon and when those who seek righteousness and meekness may be spared in that great disaster; that salvation from death, and life forever in happiness, are open to the obedient ones; and that therefore a great emergency now confronts those who shall form the “great multitude”.

    As we can see from the above quote Brooklyn like their fundamentalist “brothers” have absolutely no clue what an indisputable fact or proof is. To claim that the Bible contain “indisputable facts” without corroborative evidence is an extremely silly claim to make. Yet this is the order of the day in the Watchtower magazine. Like most other religious, who deal in superstition and the unseen, everything seems to come true merely because someone claim it is. It also seems to help a whole lot if it is several thousand years since it allegedly happened. That seems to be the only criteria for truth or facts in these societies. Take a look at this example from the Watchtower:

    *** w94 2/15 16 "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?" ***
    Jehovah’s Witnesses are pleased to provide proof of this, showing how the physical facts of our day fulfill Bible prophecy.

    In reality Jehovah's Witnesses during the 100 + years they have existed have to this day never presented any such “proof” at all. It is just a load of hot air. Take a look at these examples:

    *** w94 3/15 25 He Realized His Heart's Desire ***
    The Christian Greek Scriptures and physical facts have since borne out that the Messiah, Jesus Christ, is the true light of the nations, the One to remove the veil of spiritual darkness and bring salvation to the people.

    *** w83 2/1 31 The "Kingdom Unity" District Conventions ***
    In fact this unity was foretold at Isaiah 52:8, in these words: “Listen! Your own watchmen have raised their voice. In unison they keep crying out joyfully; for it will be eye into eye that they will see when Jehovah gathers back Zion.” The physical facts show that the gathering back of Zion began in 1919.

    *** w81 3/15 18 Women-May They Be "Ministers"? ***
    This prophecy had its initial fulfillment when the Jewish exiles, as a composite or national group, returned from ancient Babylon. However, as can be seen from the physical facts and in keeping with Romans 15:4 these words are having a modern fulfillment upon spiritual Israelites. (Gal. 6:16) They were in spiritual captivity to “Babylon the Great” during World War I, and were set free shortly thereafter, with the symbolic fall of that world empire of false religion.

    Not surprisingly the Watchtower produced make believe and fantasy “facts” that show almost anything, some times these “facts” show that the same thing happened at two different dates, and that both dates are “indisputable”. An example of this is Jesus “second presence” and his “enthronement”:

    The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.The Watchtower, March 1, 1922.

    According to the Watchtower from 1922, “indisputable facts” showed that Jesus “second presence” began in 1874! In 1951 and 1954, “physical facts” showed that his “second presence” began i 1914!. Incredible how such iron clad “facts” can change in the Watchtower, isn’t it?

    *** w51 6/15 383 Questions from Readers ***
    That this method of calculating is correctly used to bring us to A.D. 1914 from 607 B.C. is confirmed for us by the physical facts that have become manifest from that year 1914 on, in fulfillment of Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13, Luke 21, and other prophecies concerning Christ’s second presence, in the time of the end.
    *** w54 7/1 407 Today's Right Kind of Ministers ***
    7 Both the Scriptures and physical facts show that Christ Jesus was enthroned in Jehovah’s kingdom in 1914.

    What can we learn from such examples? First of all that the Watchtower writers as most religious people have absolutely no idea what a fact is, they think it is whatever dream of fantasy they for the moment chooses to call a “fact”. As demonstrated a Watchtower “fact” doesn’t qualify as such in the real world. Real “physical” or “indisputable” facts can’t have Jesus “second presence” in 1874 and then suddenly change it to 1914. At least one of those statements doesn’t qualify as a fact. In this case of course none of them even remotely qualify as a fact, because they are impossible to verify in any way, and therefore the word fact shouldn’t be used at all. But this is the way people who deal in the foggy and fuzzy realm of fantasy, religion and superstition operates. As many of us who are out of the Watchtower Society or are in the process of getting out know, reality comes as a very nasty shock to people who live in these misty realms of lala land. The Bible and people who believe in it make a whole lot of extraordinary claims, which they tell us we have to accept or suffer the consequences. Consequences, which severity vary according to the degree of orthodoxy of the “messenger”. Some will torment us forever in Hell, others will simply wipe us out, but they all have in common the idea that people who don’t buy their brand of superstition do not deserve a life and a future. Is any of this based on facts, as we know them? No, they are based on very old superstitious writings and fantasies. The obvious FACT that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, is completely ignored by “true believers”.

    Norm.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Just another one of the many reasons the Watchtower draws people like this to it for Salvation:

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    Great post, Norm, thankyou.

    You show very clearly how the watchtower manipulates their doctrine. When time starts to run out on one story, why, they just write a new one, and call it "new light", and lock the "old light" away in case anyone sees it, puts two and two together, and comes to the inevitable (and correct) conclusion that, rather than being Gods line of communication to mankind, the wts are the greatest religious bull$hitters of modern times.

    Worse, they promote this bs as fact, as if proof of its correctness actually exists, and their followers swallow it without question.

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Norm,

    As usual you are spot on. And that's a fact!

    Ian

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    Has anyone here noted the similar use of the word "evidently?" When there are no solid facts and WT needs to persuade the reader to accept flawed conclusions, "grasping at straws," EVIDENTLY [bulshite statement follows]. ~Sue

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Obviously with the JWs the words indisputable facts relating to future predictions have zero credibility since time and again it was proven taht these facts were not just indisutable but totally wrong. And indeed people that use frequently words like evidently, apparently, seemingly, reportedly, possibly, are people that are trying to present unproven conjectures as certainties.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Great post! It is indeed an intellectual crutch that the Society uses to make a baseless claim sound as if it has some basis in reality. Of course, to those of us who have heard it used in this way over the years, it now just accentuates the baselessness of the claim.

    *** g69 5/22 p. 15 What Future For the Young ***

    If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career this system has to offer.

  • VM44
    VM44

    That "young person" back in 1969 is now in their 50's, and if they did go to college and start a career, they would now have over 30 years of experience!

    What has the author of that Awake! article done in the intervening 37 years? What are they doing now? Certainly not taking responsibility for the things they have written.

    Every statement in that article has proved false with time. So much for what the writer called "facts"!

    --VM44

  • V
    V
    In the Bible are the indisputable facts that prove that death is the result of sin

    Then why do animals and ALL living creatures die, do trees sin too?

    Sorry, not "indisputable".

  • lowden
    lowden

    Norm

    Another pearl of a post!! Brilliant.

    When the scales fall from ones' eyes it is all to apparent that the WTS is an organisation of gargantuan falsehoods.

    Leolaia

    Good post!

    Peace

    Lowden

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