The WTS trying to excuse their bloodguilt by using parables

by My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
    My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

    Cædite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

    • Translation: "Slay them all. God will know his own."
    • Variation: "Kill them all. Let God sort them out."

    When discussing the policy of shunning/disfellowshiping with my JW MIL, I asked her to justify how the WTS can in good concience continue to disfellowship people, knowing that many, many people have committed suicide upon being cut off from family and friends. In my mind and yours I'm sure, even one suicide is too many. Her response was that God knows the hearts of everyone and those unfortunate souls will be judged accordingly. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, this sounds like "Kill them all. Let God sort them out" to me. Any thoughts?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Yes.

    This same fatality invades their attitute towards the 6 billion or so "worldly" people, their own lives and the lives of their children when facing a blood transfusion.

    In a nutshell, a fully indoctrinated Witness would rather die or watch others die than to give up a grain of their 'truth'. They think this is upholding Jehovah's name.

    This is worlds apart from the enduring theme in Jewish thought AND the bible to show reverence for life. I mean, Jesus told them to PULL THE DONKEY OUT OF THE DITCH for goodness' sake. Life is more important than points of doctrine.

  • Mary
    Mary
    I asked her to justify how the WTS can in good concience continue to disfellowship people, knowing that many, many people have committed suicide upon being cut off from family and friends. In my mind and yours I'm sure, even one suicide is too many. Her response was that God knows the hearts of everyone and those unfortunate souls will be judged accordingly. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, this sounds like "Kill them all. Let God sort them out" to me. Any thoughts?

    Ask your mother in law if she would still feel this way if the Catholic Church was still excommunicating people for heresy, and those people committed suicide for losing their family. Ask her if she'd still feel this way if her husband was DF'd and then committed suicide.

  • My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW
    My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

    In a nutshell, a fully indoctrinated Witness would rather die or watch others die than to give up a grain of their 'truth'. They think this is upholding Jehovah's name.

    jgnat The nonJW mind will always question the underlying reasoning. Thanks for the reality check!

    Ask your mother in law if she would still feel this way if the Catholic Church was still excommunicating people for heresy, and those people committed suicide for losing their family. Ask her if she'd still feel this way if her husband was DF'd and then committed suicide.

    Thanks Mary, I will!

  • Gill
    Gill

    The JW world would be a boring world if they didn't have people to DF, ignore, be rude to, criticise and gossip about.

    Recently discussing a young DF'd woman, my mother lamented her 'cheek at turning up at all the meetings now, when she didn't use to bother before!'

    What a Pharisee!

    I'm sick to the back teeth of their evil backbiting and self glorification!

    This year, it's a Christmas tree superglued on the big 'KH of Jehovah's Witnesses' sign, for sure!!!

  • jgnat
    jgnat
    The nonJW mind will always question the underlying reasoning. Thanks for the reality check

    Ain't that the truth. I'm working on understanding the JW mind for six years now, and I've concluded that Garybuss is right. None of it makes sense. They're whacked. Reasoning with a JW when they are in full indoctrination mode is like trying to wrestle a dirty old bone from a dog. The harder you tug, the tougher they hold on.

    Steve Hassan speaks of the two personalities of the cult mind. The natural personality they were born with, and the "put-on" personality they strive to emulate. Be patient, at some time or another you will find yourself alone with the natural person. That's the time to drop a fresh bone.

  • Outaservice
    Outaservice

    John 8:44 "You are from Your Father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of Your Father. That one was a manslayer when he began......................................."

    Yes Watchtower, "Whats a life or two to fret about"!

    Outaservice

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Witnesses are trained topically. They can only think topically and they can only have topical discussions. By topical, I also mean bold print top line topical only. They haven't thought anything through to it's conclusion.

    The Witnesses have to stay in the "box" or the "room". Some teachings are dead end, like the blood fraction doctrine. Others, are apartments with connecting rooms. But the rooms themselves are dead ends. An example of an apartment is the appointment doctrine.

    That's why the Witnesses like their dis-belief doctrines like the dis-belief in hell, or the dis-belief in the immortality of the soul, or their dis-belief in the Trinity. Those are safe because they are not beliefs.

    After a Witness exalts the virtues of some Witness belief or practice, I like to ask them how that knowledge or faith has improved their relationships with their non-Witness relatives and neighbors.

    Notice a pattern. The Witnesses are most proud of their dis-beliefs and their non-actions, or non-behaviors. The most advertised dis-beliefs are the ones I mentioned, hell, soul, Trinity, but there are others. Their best behaviors are non-behaviors, like the birthday anniversary non-behavior, and the flag salute non-behavior.

    The Witnesses define themselves by things a dead man can do. A dead man can't serve in the military, a dead man can't take whole donated blood, a dead man can't have unapproved sex, ad infinitum.

    The best Witness could be a dead man and a dead man could be qualified for promotion just by his dis-beleifs and non-behaviors. Brother dead doesn't believe in Hell, the immortality of the soul, or the Trinity. Brother dead, doesn't vote, doesn't have immoral sex, doesn't salute the flag, doesn't take blood transfusions, doesn't associate with worldly people, doesn't gossip, doesn't argue with his wife, doesn't fight in wars, and doesn't own a 2 door car.


  • pallemar
    pallemar

    roman 3:28

    for we reckon that a man is justified by faith, without works of law.

    So why is Jehovah witness, make a forgivness religion, to a law religion?

    for those who is weak in fait?

    roman 1:14

    Accept Christians who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. 2 For instance, one person believes it is all right to eat anything. But another believer who has a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. 3 Those who think it is all right to eat anything must not look down on those who won't. And those who won't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to condemn God's servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. The Lord's power will help them do as they should. 5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. Each person should have a personal conviction about this matter. 6 Those who have a special day for worshiping the Lord are trying to honor him. Those who eat all kinds of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who won't eat everything also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

    acording to the bibel, is is very importen to be in fait.

    2 Corinthians 13

    5 Examine yourselves to see if your faith is really genuine. Test yourselves. If you cannot tell that Jesus Christ is among you, it means you have failed the test.

    so if you are not in the fait there you are, start to look else where, and don't belive wath tower lies, about false fait. they are only the false fait.

    don't let you be miss lead by any one, follow your own hearth.

    Ephesians 4

    13 until we come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God's Son that we will be mature and full grown in the Lord, measuring up to the full stature of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be like children, forever changing our minds about what we believe because someone has told us something different or because someone has cleverly lied to us and made the lie sound like the truth. 15 Instead, we will hold to the truth in love, becoming more and more in every way like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. 16 Under his direction, the whole body is fitted together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.

    i hope this help some of you :)

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus
    Her response was that God knows the hearts of everyone and those unfortunate souls will be judged accordingly.

    Yet they refuse to go to war on the basis that they may be shooting their own brethren. Interesting how they can talk out of both sides of their mouths like that.

    BTW, does your MIL really look like that??

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