The Morals we were Taught from the Podium

by The wanderer 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • The wanderer
    The wanderer
    The Morals we were Taught from the Podium

    The organization for the most part used to stress, moral, mental,
    physical and spiritual cleanliness. The magazines would period-
    ically illustrate how we as Jehovah's Witnesses should conduct our-
    selves regarding morals. Talks we heard from the podium would
    stress the same.

    Did the message contain benefits regarding morals?

    Admittedly, because the message of morality was either in writing or verbally
    spoken from the podium it did set an impression if the individual made an
    application of it. Regarding my own person, it cleared the way out of some
    of life's pitfalls.

    What about yourself?

    • Did any of the guidelines regarding morality that we were taught help?

    • Were there any benefits for you or for someone you knew regarding
      the moral guidelines?

    • Did the lessons from the podium help in anyway toward a healthier
      outlook toward morality?


    Please post your comments for an interesting discussion.

    Respectfully,

    The Wanderer

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    I don't believe that we were ever taught true morality.

    We had a bunch of rules and all of us knew EXACTLY what we were to do in each and every situation, "using one's conscience" be damned, there was ONE course of action that was acceptable for dubs as a whole (national and cultural differences aside -i.e. different dress types in USA vs Africa).

    What they taught from the podium poorly equipped us for making decisions in REAL moral dilemmas, as we never developed the ability to decide for OURSELVES what was "right".

    But we never were really faced with many of the decisions that normal people were faced with in day to day life- many of the decisions that people make when they vote for different propositions, choose leaders of their country, decide whether or not to have an abortion (just a few examples) and so on are very complex and the answers are NOT black and white, as the WTS would have us believe.

    Life is very messy and complex and therefore so very WONDERFUL, but you will never come across this living a life as a true-believing JW.

    -Kudra

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    p.s. -GREAT topic, Wanderer. I often get frustrated at the shallow "advice" and "morals" that they teach at the hall.

    For example, the other day my mom told me she had some "word of wisdom" for me as I started out in this new relationship with this wonderful man I am dating.

    I was really interested, as my mom has been married to my father for almost 40 years and they still are best friends, they dated for 7 years while on opposite sides of the Atlantic, have 2 kids that have turned out pretty well (if I do say so myself), have done pretty well financially etc- so I was expecting something very sage and of deep import.

    So she says: "You know this man is used to a sexual relationship- you be careful if you know what I mean."

    What shallow garbage. No personal reflection or the passing along of things she has pondered on or communication techniques or something that would be good for a girl starting out in a committed relationship- just a parrotting of pseudo-moralistic tripe.

    It really made me sad and angry.

    -Kudra

    p.p.s anyone have some REAL good advice for me ??? ...feel free to pm... :(

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Kudra, I did not want to bother answering the thread when I started reading it, but your answer was very refreshing
    At first I thought that I did learn to live with higher morals thanks to the WTS, but...........

    Morals are our own ability to distinguish between right and wrong,
    they are principles we develop in order to define our own character.

    I gave up the responsibility to distinguish between right and wrong, allowing
    the WT to decide for me. I stopped truly developing my character, choosing
    to hide within the one the WTS told me to have.

    I am afraid of what lies ahead, but not on this subject.

    Life is very messy and complex and therefore so very WONDERFUL

    Thanks, Kudra

    OnTheWayOut

  • sf
    sf
    The Morals we were Taught from the Podium

    Surely, you jest.

    Read the latest court ruling to the flock. Then the word moral, in relation to anything said at a jw podium, will have merit. Not until then.

    sKally

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    Is it just me, or does this post read exactly like a Watchtower brochure? lol..., complete with cheese-ball wedding photo in bottom corner?

    That out of the way, I agree with Kudra. They never taught "morality", they "demanded" that we follow their version of morality, lest we be struck dead by the hateful and vengeful sky-deity, jehoobie. Worse yet, the ever present threat of being disfellowshipped or being snitched on by their Orwellian overlords kept us in line. Making teen-agers feel like wretched, wicked scum for the "sin" of masturbation??!? Is that "morality"? Demanding that we sacrifice our children or ourselves over their ridiculous blood ban; is that morality?

    The Watchtower corporation instills a neo-fascist brand of morality which has nothing to do whatsoever with basic and intrinsic altruistic behaviour nor does it even remotely resemble the basic altruistic philosophy of Christ or other moral philosophers.

  • veradico
    veradico

    Let's consider for a moment the November Awake! After we get through the initial articles which fail to answer the question of suffering and the three-page article on the Quakers, we come to a very brief article on having meals together as a family. We get a delightful, Bradey Bunch-esque quote from Algirdas [name has probably been changed, as is customary]: "During mealtimes all of us feel free to talk about the day's events and to share our problems, thoughts, plans, likes, and dislikes." Honesty is a big part of morality, right? Could Algirdas' children really talk about their problems: the sense of isolation at school, the sense of judgment in the hall as everyone concerns themselves with the hierarchy of spiritual maturity, the strain of keeping up with all the meaningless busywork of the Organization while trying to do well in school, the mental gymnastics of interpreting everything that they hear through the filter of JW-orthodoxy, the guilt for what little life they have with their friends at school, the shame of thinking ordinary human thoughts. Could Algirdas' children talk about their thoughts: "Hey, since we are interested in what is true, I was thinking that when the teacher talked about evolution today it made sense," "A friend of mine told me today that she had an abortion. I know she did not make her decision casually, and I have a hard time not agreeing with her reasons," "So, mom and dad, even though I'm a guy, I find I like checking other guys out." Could Algirdas' children really talk about their plans: "I don't want to pioneer. I want to go to college. I know you don't think it's practical, but there are other things in life that are more important to me than being practical. I just really love this subject," "I want to be involved in a work that really saves lives. I'm not saying our message isn't good, mom. But why can't I work with this charity oragnization to feed people who have nothing?" What about likes and dislikes: "I don't really like sitting for hours and hours listening to redundant talks that fill me with guilt," "I like to wear clothes that make me feel like a young and sexy person." JW morality (and it's all rolled into one package) does not allow even the most basic level of honesty. Witnesses (particularly the really good publishers) spend more time concealing their thoughts from each other than they do preaching their message from door to door. And I would say that honesty is one of the fundamental principles of morality. If people are not free to speak and behave honestly and authentically, then it's not morality; it's enforced and externally imposed conformity. Instead of teaching morality, instead of teaching people how to reason for themselves, the November Awake! goes on to have two articles designed to make people feel guilty for masturbating and for having sex without being married. These rules are arbitrary, simplistic, and (particularly in the case of masturbation) contrary to human nature. The Society fills people with guilt for being human, for being messy, warm-blooded, living creatures. Morality must be self-generated and arise from a sense of freedom and a consequent sense of responsibility to live well and with regard for the value of others due to an awareness of our own value. The Organization takes this away from people because they are not free and they are not taught to value themselves. I suspect this question is asking whether the rules we were taught from the podium stuck with us, but that has very little to do with morality.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    ..Jehovah`s Witness`s speak about"Truth"..Jehovah`s Witness`s rarely speak"Truthfully"..Jehovah`s Witness`s don`t like to hear the"Truth"...OUTLAW

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    * Did any of the guidelines regarding morality that we were taught help?

    Yes, the difference between what was yammered at us from the podium and the actual conduct of the JWs helped me see the hypocrisy of the WTS.


    * Were there any benefits for you or for someone you knew regarding
    the moral guidelines?

    See previous answer.


    * Did the lessons from the podium help in anyway toward a healthier
    outlook toward morality?

    See previous answer.






    Too bad it doesn't prevent the pitfall of belonging to a religious cult.

  • Kudra
    Kudra

    Veradico:

    damn straight!

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