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Zico

I have decided to respond to this post via a new thread in order to stop UB's thread from going off topic: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/122731/2171641/post.ashx#2171641

"Those who are afraid of the shunning policy {process} NEED to feel this on some level in order to fully comprehend why so many are hurt and angry, still. Why we are fighting so hard for truth and justice.

I used to say no one deserves to go through it { the shunning }. I don't subscribe to that any longer. My opinion is that it should be mandatory if you are going to try and help those after you exit yourself. Why should you be exempt?"

I don't understand this. Why would you ever wish pain on anyone else? I admire you and everyone else who lost everyone important to them and had to cope with the shunning, but everyone's situation is different, and I see no reason why everyone should go through the shunning if they don't have to, and it's not your place to decide what we should and shouldn't do, nor is it up to you to judge us. Each individual on this board knows their own situation best, and they know how best to help the people around them. If I get DF'ed I will not be able to help any of my family or friends, as they will shun me, especially if it's for apostasy.

Do you also realise that you would have a much harder time battling the WTS without the Active JWs on this board - The spies. Or at least the Inactives who still have contact with JWs and can get info on what they're up to. I don't think this board wouldn't be half the place it is if everyone here was DF'ed.

'But that's just me, I'm sure. {Actually, I'm not so sure it's only me}.'

Probably not only you, but then have you noticed how few people back up your opinion when you post your judgements?

'You get what you give. It's simple.'

It really isn't. A JW is far more likely to talk to a fader/inactive JW than a DF'ed one.

How many people have you helped out of the cult?

"And why shouldn't you? How much time has to tick away? You either take a deep breath and dive into the process, knowing it's gonna be hell and sacrifices are a part of this, or you keep the wheels of the WTBTS greased and running while children trapped in these lethal beliefs and policies, ENFORCED BY THEIR PARENTS WHOM GET THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS FROM HIGHER RANKING MALE MEMBERS { "thus saith jehovah the mouthpiece..."}, decay...spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically. Should be a no-brainer people."

You keep the wheels greased up by donating them money and bringing people in, who can give them more money, or more people to donate etc... etc... I bet you will NOT find one active JW here who has brought an individual into the Society once they realised it's not the Truth. And the vast majority of them, certainly don't give the Org or their Cong any money.

'Stop worrying about YOUR losses and start thinking about what so many children CONTINUE TO LOSE ON A DAILY BASIS.'

sKally - Being realistic, what would hurt you more - The death of a VERY close family member or friend, or the death of 1000 people in some kind of disaster, none of whom you've ever met?

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I'm willing to offer help to anyone on this board to help them bring down the Organisation which I hate, as long as it doesn't compromise my standing in the Org FOR NOW. Once I am confident that I have done everything I can to try to help my family and friends out of this cult, then I will be willing to take a more active role. I don't, however, take issue with anyone who chooses a different route. Each to their own, but I come here not to be judged by someone who thinks they're better than me just because I'm fortunate enough to not yet have been submitted to the shunning process.

OnTheWayOut

Not having read the previous thread, I will agree.

Unless you are actively picketing the WTS or one of it's Kingdom Halls,
or are heavily involved in letter writing to JW's or the news media,
unless you are in some way, devoting all your free time to bringing down the evil empire-
YOU HAVE DECIDED TO DO AS MUCH AS YOU WANTED TO.

Ray Franz wrote some books, people criticize him for not doing more.
We can all do what we want, when we want, for our own reasons.

megsmomma

I really appreciate being able to have people still in the org to learn from. My 8 yr old is init and I like knowing whats going onat the meetings so I can relate to her and it helps me greatly to be able to give her the "proper food at the proper time" lol! Really...thank you all!

Warlock

If I want to go to the meeting tonight, Sunday, whatever day, I'm going.

If I want to become active again and go out in field service, I'll go.

Who the hell is going to stop me?

Warlock

parakeet

I still don't agree with the shunning policy, Zico, but I heartily agree that this board is better with active JWs in it. While I would never have voluntarily stayed just to help others get out, I don't condemn you for doing so. When I decided to leave the JWs, it took me three years to work up the courage to finally make the bread. The last thing I would have needed back then was an exJW yelling at me for not leaving sooner.

choosing life

I still think that putting yourself in a place where you will be shunned is playing by their rules. If you can help your family and loved ones to see the facade, it is well worth the effort you made, even if you have to keep your mouth shut about some things for a while.

I do not support the organization in any way , but am still in a position to help others. If shunning wasn't such an effective tool to prevent the real truth about many things from being known, it wouldn't be used so extensively by them.

You need to do things the way that work best for you. And only you can determine that. Sometimes people try to bully others into taking actions they are not ready for. I find this no different than the tactics used by the organization. Make your own decisions, because you will have to bear the consequences, not someone else.

(I did not read the other thread)

sf

Again, I'm not sure why some think my post on that thread was off topic. Perhaps a moderator can point it out.

You all do what you think you have to do and speak about it. I'll do the same, as I'm doing in my posts.

Devoting threads to judge my freedoms of speaking out and basically try to shut me up, is silly and futile. Not to mention, a waste of bandwith.

This issues of fraud and hypocrisy at the expense of the children and unsuspecting "householders" is big for me and I will continue to expose the lunacy at every opportunity presented. And it appears the opportunity is gaining momentum.

sKally

Zico

"Again, I'm not sure why some think my post on that thread was off topic. Perhaps a moderator can point it out."

Either way, UB didn't want us to debate/argue on his thread, and since it was his thread, I'll respect his wishes. I don't think it matters?

"You all do what you think you have to do and speak about it. I'll do the same, as I'm doing in my posts."

That's what I'm doing here. Since my opinion is so different to yours, I want to offer you a different viewpoint, and discuss it with you.

"Devoting threads to judge my freedoms of speaking out and basically try to shut me up, is silly and futile. Not to mention, a waste of bandwith."

I originally wrote my post to go in the other thread, but took it into a new post as UB wouldn't have wanted me to post it in there, and I wanted to debate/discuss my opinions on your own opinions that you placed in that thread. This is a discussion board after all.

"This issues of fraud and hypocrisy at the expense of the children and unsuspecting "householders" is big for me and I will continue to expose the lunacy at every opportunity presented. And it appears the opportunity is gaining momentum."

I've just presented an opportunity!

return visitor

I agree, how am I to judge? Who is anyone to judge?

sf

As far as I'm aware, no one is an owner of a thread, but perhaps the owner of this [EDITED TO CORRECT THE WORD thread WITH THE WORD forum...it should read "owner of this forum]. It would be interesting though if we did indeed have to buy a thread in order to own who gets to post in it.

I was not off topic in my post. Not all replies in a thread are responses to the author. I spoke to what I saw as contrasts to this fraud of a religion. It was very much on topic.

zico,

Somehow I don't buy the "I wanted to discuss and debate with you". You won't win this debate with ME. You may win it with others and they will be satisfied. But I'm rarely satified with most answers I get. Correction: don't get. Not one person has actually satisfied my thirst for truth in my questions. With the exception of Doubting Bro. Some want me to re-arrange the inquiry, soften my heart up a bit {sound familiar?}, change my perspective, tone it down, etc. Sugar it all up.

That isn't an option. Too much damage CONTINUES.

One last thing about those CHOOSING to read my posts KNOWING, after concluding to themselves that I'm this or that...blah, blah, blah...I can't be responsible for that choice of YOURS.

I don't plan on retiring from this forum anytime soon.

Carry on with these threads if you must. I really don't see the point though.

sKally

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