by hambeak 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
According to ABC news this morning Prime Minister Blair stated MI 5 says there are 30 terrorist cells operating in the UK and most are home grown. Some are suicide bombers.
What do you Brits have to say about this and what should be done? I think if they are not citizens deport them all and if they are Citizens lock them up.
if they are not citizens deport them all and if they are Citizens lock them up.
That's how we feel about it Hambeak, and most of our friends feel the same way. Not a mile from where we live, there are 3 or 4 Muslim youths on the street every Friday afternoon trying to distribute literature, some of it pro - Al Qaeda, yet the authorities don't attempt to stop them. They may, of course, be under observation.
nah they'll just give em benefits and pay for their extended families to come over.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1695902.stm
After the hijack was brought to an end, 74 people on the plane remained in the UK receiving the support and benefits offered to asylum seekers.
The applicants, including 14 originally charged with hijack, have still not all been processed.
Some have been allowed to stay while others are mounting legal challenges against decisions to make them leave.
The defendants were granted conditional bail during the trials and many were housed in hostels.
Internment did not prove to be an effective tool in Northern Ireland. Why should it work now?
I always said there were terrorist cells in the UK for about 20years. In fact we were told in the armed forces, back in 1989 that the muslim threat will be bigger than any problems we encountered with the IRA. Too many muslims can travel to and from Pakistan, without any security checks, because of fears of being branded racist. Jamaicans cannot travel as freely as they did years ago, bacause of the Yardies smuggling drugs into the country, yet this terrorist threat is far more serious.
I guess I am a bit more radical about it I would say trial first found guilty execute immediately
For some time, england has been a haven for the headquarters for a few extremist islamic groups. The british govt has even created an extremist islamic group, known as the wahabi. This is from where osama bin ladin descended. I read this somewhere, and am looking for documentation. If someone challenges me on it, i will try harder.
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Here is something:
U.K.-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain and the United States. Many governments -- Jordanian, Egyptian, Moroccan, Spanish, French, and American -- have protested London's refusal to shut down its Islamist terrorist infrastructure or extradite wanted operatives. In frustration, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak denounced Britain for "protecting killers." One American security group has called for Britain to be listed as a terrorism-sponsoring state.
Counterterrorism specialists disdain the British. Roger Cressey calls London "easily the most important jihadist hub in Western Europe." Steven Simon dismisses the British capital as "the Star Wars bar scene" of Islamic radicals. More brutally, an intelligence official said of last week's attacks: "The terrorists have come home. It is payback time for . . . an irresponsible policy."
While London hosts terrorists, Paris hosts a top-secret counterterrorism center, code-named Alliance Base, whose existence was just revealed by the Washington Post, where since 2002 six major Western governments share intelligence and run counterterrorism operations.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20050715/ai_n14857563
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About wahhabi origin:
III. THE FIRST SAUDI-WAHHABI STATE: 1744-1818
After returning to Najd from his trips, Ibn Abdul-Wahhab began to preach his wild ideas in Uyayna. However, because of his rigid preaching, he was thrown out of his birthplace. He then went to preach in nearby Dir’iyyah where his dear friend Hempher and other undercover British spies joined him. Ibn Abdul-Wahhab ordered women to shave off their heads in order not to "seduce" men with their hair. 3 He also mercilessly killed a local adulteress in a crowded public square by brutally smashing her head with a large heavy boulder. 4 While Islamic punishment for adultery is stoning, but only with
small stones, Muslim scholars disagree as to whether the punishment was actually intended to kill.Although many people opposed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab’s rigid teachings and actions including his own father and brother Sulaiman, who were both religious scholars, British undercover spies and money succeeded in cajoling an insignificant Dir’iyyah sheik, Mohammad al-Saud, to support him. 5 In 1744, al-Saud joined forces with Ibn Abdul-Wahhab by forging a political, religious, and marital alliance. With this union between them and their families, which is still in existence today, Wahhabism as a religious and political movement was born.
http://www.kanaanonline.org/articles/00361.pdf
My point is that knowlege about these terrorists on british soil is not new. In fact at higher levels, it has been known, all along.
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As a result of the 1744 Saudi-Wahhabi alliance, a small Bedouin army was established with the help of British undercover spies who provided it with money and weapons. 6 In time this army grew into a major menace that eventually terrorized the entire Arabian Peninsula up to Damascus, and caused one of the worst Fitnah ("violent civil strife") in the history of Islam. In the process, this army was able to viciously conquer most of the Arabian Peninsula to create the first Saudi-Wahhabi State.
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