Is the Issue Of "Sovereignty" Stupid?

by metatron 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  metatron

  Let's say you're Satan - and you're challenging God. This is a little like walking into a huge Vegas casino and telling them you can beat them.

  However, the problem is that you are challenging the Author and Sustainer of the physical Universe, who maintains the laws

  of physics. You can't possibly win because he can make any alteration he wants at any time, and change any memory of events

  whenever he wants, rather like an episode of Startrek.

  You see how silly this gets? Satan has to fully depend on God's complete "honesty" in matters that are impossible to expose

  otherwise. Satan gets everything he wants ...... but without warning a subtle quantum shift occurs leaving him powerless.

  Oops!

  On the other hand, Satan can disprove Bible prophecy simply by doing nothing at all. No Gog of Magog, no muss, no fuss.

  Witnesses love to quote from Peter that "ridiculers will come with their ridicule" but aren't some things ridiculous?

  metatron
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  carla

  After all this time I still don't get what the jw's are on about with God's sovereignty! It seems they are the ones confused about it, no Christian I know has any question at all about the sovereignty of God. What exactly is their problem? Or should I ask what to they see as our problem about it?
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  vitty

  I sought of said this on a topic

  Jehovahs Witness Discussion Forum > Friends > I reckon Satan won the argument......what do you think

  its so bloody stupid...............a real fairy tale
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  fullofdoubtnow

  This idea of the world being like it is because of the issue of universal sovereignty not having been decided yet is a little hard to swallow nowadays, to say the least. The very idea of it is ridiculous.
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  Leolaia

  The whole doctrine is a figment of Judge Rutherford's lawyerly imagination. The traditional Christian view (which is also equally problematic imho) is that God endowed all his creatures with free will to follow him and those who do not do so are permitted to do as they wish, but they will eventually face divine judgment. Rutherford however came up with the idea of a heavenly "court case" between God and Satan which puts God's sovereignty in the balance. This was part of a ploy to validate a continued preaching programme by Bible Students as a work designed to "vindicate" Jehovah's sovereignty, and "prove Satan wrong". This of course greatly enhanced Rutherford's power, since he was putatively Jehovah's representative on earth and to refuse to do what Rutherford wanted to the letter would "prove Satan right". That enabled Rutherford to exact demands from his followers that would be almost unthinkable today (the 1934 "Fear Them Not" article in particular comes to mind).
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  LittleToe

  Even the concept of a Sovereignty issue reduces God from being, well,.. God!

  Either He is God and is Sovereign, or else He isn't and the throne belongs to whoever is the strongest god (small "g" intended) in the long run. At a subconscious level this has to undermine their "Jehovah". Not a wonder their meetings are empty and devoid of life, with narry an act of worship to be seen!
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  ballistic

  Perhaps Satan was just playing Devil's advocate?
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  jwfacts

  Totally stupid.

  God is Almighty and created all, meaning there can be no question that he has the right to rule without question.

  What happens if Satan 'won'. Would God step down from being Almighty God? Of course not. He would just obliterate everything and start again.
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  Seeker4

  It is ridiculous. This great courtroom battle. Insane.

  What's even more ridiculous is that an all-powerful god would have any need or desire to be worshipped. All-powerful, except for needing a lot of serious ego stroking!

  God made in man's image is what is really happening in the Bible, religion and the JWs.

  S4
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  proplog2

  The issue is "good government" vs "bad government".

  There is nothing more important.

  The Bible frames it in the best way they knew.