BOOKSTORE INCIDENT

by Terry 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    Jim/Amazing:

    Thanks for the additional information. One article I've enjoyed by an Orthodox writer is this one:

    http://www.kalvesmaki.com/otcanon.htm

    The author now edits the Fathers of the Church series for Catholic University of America in Washington DC

  • TresHappy
    TresHappy

    I always wondered why the Catholic Bible had Maccabees and the Protestant version didn't. Then I read that the Protestants didn't think it was inspired by God...or am I wrong?

  • Snoozy
    Snoozy

    I was just in Barnes and Noble a few days ago. I had a ball...

    One guy was sleeping with a book on his chest..

    I got my Brother two books about the works of Joseph Campbell..very interesting..

    My grandchildren are Catholic and if I was to try and show the kids the error of the Catholic churches ways..she would pitch a fit..JW's aren't the only fanatics around..

    My grandson..16 is very intellectual..into politics big time and the bible. We get into some pretty in depth discussions sometimes..this would be a good one to discuss with him...thanks!

    Snoozy..

  • Terry
    Terry
    I always wondered why the Catholic Bible had Maccabees and the Protestant version didn't. Then I read that the Protestants didn't think it was inspired by God...or am I wrong?

    Development of the Old Testament Canon

    1000-50 BC:
    The Old Testament (hereafter "OT") books are written.
    C. 200 BC:
    Rabbis translate the OT from Hebrew to Greek, a translation called the "Septuagint" (abbreviation: "LXX"). The LXX ultimately includes 46 books.
    AD 30-100:
    Christians use the LXX as their scriptures. This upsets the Jews.
    C. AD 100:
    So Jewish rabbis meet at the Council of Jamniah and decide to include in their canon only 39 books, since only these can be found in Hebrew.
    C. AD 400:
    Jerome translates the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into Latin (called the "Vulgate"). He knows that the Jews have only 39 books, and he wants to limit the OT to these; the 7 he would leave out (Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach [or "Ecclesiasticus"], and Baruch--he calls "apocrypha," that is, "hidden books." But Pope Damasus wants all 46 traditionally-used books included in the OT, so the Vulgate has 46.
    AD 1536:
    Luther translates the Bible from Hebrew and Greek to German. He assumes that, since Jews wrote the Old Testament, theirs is the correct canon; he puts the extra 7 books in an appendix that he calls the "Apocrypha."
    AD 1546:
    The Catholic Council of Trent reaffirms the canonicity of all 46 books.

    Development of the New Testament Canon

    C. AD 51-125:
    The New Testament books are written, but during this same period other early Christian writings are produced--for example, the Didache (c. AD 70), 1 Clement (c. 96), the Epistle of Barnabas (c. 100), and the 7 letters of Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110).
    C. AD 140:
    Marcion, a businessman in Rome, teaches that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the OT, and Abba, the kind father of the NT. So Marcion eliminates the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he is anti-Semitic, keeps from the NT only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke's gospel (he deletes references to Jesus' Jewishness). Marcion's "New Testament"--the first to be compiled--forces the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four gospels and letters of Paul.
    C. AD 200:
    But the periphery of the canon is not yet determined. According to one list, compiled at Rome c. AD 200 (the Muratorian Canon), the NT consists of the 4 gospels; Acts; 13 letters of Paul (Hebrews is not included); 3 of the 7 General Epistles (1-2 John and Jude); and also the Apocalypse of Peter.
    AD 367:
    The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Easter letter of 367. [Note: this is well after the Constantine's Edict of Toleration in 313 A.D.]
    AD 904:
    Pope Damasus, in a letter to a French bishop, lists the New Testament books in their present number and order.
    AD 1442:
    At the Council of Florence, the entire Church recognizes the 27 books, though does not declare them unalterable.
    AD 1536:
    In his translation of the Bible from Greek into German, Luther removes 4 NT books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelations) from their normal order and places them at the end, stating that they are less than canonical.
    AD 1546:
    At the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church reaffirms once and for all the full list of 27 books as traditionally accepted.

    from Prof. Hahn Columbia University

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    It should also be noted that even when certain post-Nicene church fathers rejected the Apocrypha as canonical (such as Jerome), they still regarded them as inspired of God and even scripture. This may seem surprising from a Protestant perspective, which conflates canonical = scripture = inspired = authoritative = 66-book Bible, but this was not necessarily the case in the Church where more nuanced views were heard. For many examples that illustrate this, see my posts on this page:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/80498/2.ashx

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