Do elders commit perjury

KAYTEE

In a court of law you tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (hand on Bible) if you don't do this it could lead to a prison sentence, thats how serious lying is considered. (by the world)

Therefore when elders discuss the wellbeing of a brother or sister especially in a judicial meeting where they invite God to oversee through prayer in that meeting, if they do not get their facts correct, or worse, they lie about an individual, could this be considered to be an act of perjury, after all you could not get a greater judge than Jehovah to make sure you present your facts correct and truthful to.

If the wordly ones can be sent to jail for lying after holding the Bible( the word of God ) therefore snubbing the importance of that act, then surely there would be a very serious eventual outcome for those spiritual leaders who go down this road of lying.

HOW MANY JUDICIAL MEETINGS HAVE GONE SERIOUSLY WRONG BECAUSE OF THIS.?

KT

fokyc

Good Morning KT

I see out telephone conversation yesterday has inspired you.

YES

, of course they do, to protect themselves!

At the last District Convention a big thing was made about being truthful.

CARDIFF – Saturday 1st July 2006, Live With Jehovah’s Day In Mind, "Dealing With Others as God Desires"

TELL OTHERS THE TRUTH

One area of concern is how we view and treat a brother/sister when things have not gone smoothly.

The 12 prophetic books also highlight how much God desires that we be truthful in our dealings

We must be honest in formal situations, but we are also urged: "Speak truthfully with one another." That includes in the privacy of our home when speaking with our marriage mate or close relatives. It also applies to our everyday conversations with spiritual brothers and sisters, whether we are speaking face-to-face, talking on the telephone, or communicating in another way. They have every reason to expect that what we are saying is the truth. Christian parents should stress to their children how vital it is to avoid falsehoods. Young ones can thus grow up aware that God expects them to avoid a tricky tongue and to be truly honest in what they say.—Zephaniah 3:13.

Christian elders ought to bear in mind Scriptural truth and indications of Jehovah’s thinking. They need to base their decisions on such rather than on mere personal opinion or on what might be called a gut feeling. The Bible shows that there may be difficult cases, those that require extra time to prepare for, doing private research in the Bible and the publications containing wise counsel from the faithful and discreet slave class. (Exodus 18:26; Matthew 24:45) When elders put forth such effort, it is more likely that they will hate what is bad and love what is good from God’s standpoint. This will help them to "give justice a place in the gate" so that ‘with true justice they will do their judging.’—Amos 5:15; Zechariah 7:9.

When I spoke with some elders recently about this very thing, they hadn't even read their own book!

fokyc

Honesty

This will help them to "give justice a place in the gate" so that ‘with true justice they will do their judging.’—Amos 5:15; Zechariah 7:9.

Since when has a JC ever been held at the "gate"?

Not only do elders perjure themselves, the entire Judicial Committee "arrangement" is a BIG LIE.

jaguarbass

If there is a God as you imagine, some of them might be in trouble.

geevee

Most elders would say not! Then they would wouldn't they? But what about their tactics in gathering the "so-called" evidence? Legbally it would be called entrapment. AND they think that the are being clever.....well, you know spirit directed!!
Cautious as serpents, innocent as doves.

One c/o told us, that it would be in order to have a second elder listening in on another phone to witness what was said, even though the person being called would think they were only talking to one person.

What about the first go to elder, the one who might hear the "confession"? He has to retell the story to the p/o who then has to outline a sketchy story for the "body", who then decide who makes up the "jc". How straight does the story stay? depends a lot on the bent of the original hearer of confession. What if he dislikes the person, or is personally repulsed by the persons actions? He could then decide how it will go down.

elders also like the best possible accou t of themselves to be spread near and far, some are prone to stretch the truth, bend it or fabricate it depending on how their reputation would be seen.

KAYTEE

Interesting point GeeVee

It's like the illustration that must have started during the World War 1 (trenches).

A message was sent from the Officer -

"send reinforcements, we're going to advance"!

this went down the line

"send reinforcements, we're going to advance"!

when it got to the end of the line, the message came over as -

"Send three and four pence, we're going to a dance !!! "

KT

Warlock

Do you have to TELL a lie to be a liar? How about omitting facts? Would that be considered a lie? I'm just asking.

Warlock

twinkletoes

A Lie, according to the dictionary is

AN INTENTION TO DECEIVE .........

Twinkletoes

lawrence

There are acts of omission, acts of commission, and just plain actions of lying mean bastards. Any man serving that organization in a position of authority must lie to survive - lie to self, lie to a higher power, and lie to the "brothers". The honest ones step down, and either fade, or do time (the horror of having to sit in the midst of the weekly lies). I wouldn't trust one elder to sell me a reputable vehicle, never mind counsel myself or a member of my family. I love the expression they use, "loose lips sink ships," and that's why not one congo has a boat to float.

AudeSapere

HOW MANY JUDICIAL MEETINGS HAVE GONE SERIOUSLY WRONG BECAUSE OF THIS.?

I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm sure the number is huge.

As far as perjury in general - as in a courtroom - there is video showing an elder lying in court, under oath. (You can find it by looking up the topic history of 'alamb'.)

-Aude.

Do elders commit perjury

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