The God of death...

by zeroday 12 Replies latest jw friends

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  zeroday

  I could no sooner kill a dog much less a human but the God of Death yearns to destroy 6 billion plus humans to uphold his sovernity. The omnipotent God, sees all, knows all just to watch his creation live and die and yet does nothing to stop it. Would you, stop it if you could. Why? God does not why would you. What is God's will to grant us free will just to watch us die is that it. Who here could create life just to stand back and watch it self destruct and do nothing to stop it. And yet the bible says we are so much lower than God. What is that higher level of understanding us mere humans don't understand that could stand back and watch this uter destruction and do nothing. The GOD of LOVE I don't think so more the GOD OF DEATH...
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  catbert

  When I was a kid, I used to build model planes, then stuff them with match heads and watch them burn. I was created "In Gods Image".
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  JamesThomas

  There is considerable madness in the concept of a tribal deity creating and reigning over us as the Bible would have us believe. That you see that, speaks for sanity.

  j
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  Amazing

  Zeroday,

  I can appreciate your need to vent at what seems like a God who is distant. Taking another look at your comments, maybe we can see things differently:

  I could no sooner kill a dog much less a human but the God of Death yearns to destroy 6 billion plus humans to uphold his sovernity.

  God is not going to do that to us, it is a Watchtower fiction. I could kill an animal to eat it were I in that kind of need. Do we eat steaks, fried chicken, bacon? We are eating animals slaughtered and butchered just for the purpose of food. Do we drink milk, eat cheese on pizza, or enjoy scrambled eggs? We are eating the products that animals produce for their own young, or to have their own offspring.

  I could kill a human who was raping a child, or about to blow up a building full of people, or was holding hostages, or trying to kill me or my children.

  The omnipotent God, sees all, knows all just to watch his creation live and die and yet does nothing to stop it.

  What do we do to stop it? Why bitch at God when we start it and continue it?

  Would you, stop it if you could. Why? God does not why would you

  I have stopped what I can it in my own life. I am not sure that any more can or should be done. God has his own reasons, and I am not convinced that just because God does or does not do something, that it necessarily applies to me in the same way.

  What is God's will to grant us free will just to watch us die is that it. Who here could create life just to stand back and watch it self destruct and do nothing to stop it.

  Do you have children? When they become adults, as mine have, you find that as a parent you want to step in and say things, or take action. But they tell you to mind your own damn business. We humans essentially, and collectively, beg for God's help, but then we refuse the help he offers. We essentially tell God to mind his own business. We do not even try to act like God. If we did, we would not have wars and murders and violence and rape.

  And yet the bible says we are so much lower than God. What is that higher level of understanding us mere humans don't understand that could stand back and watch this uter destruction and do nothing. The GOD of LOVE I don't think so more the GOD OF DEATH...

  Nowhere does the Bible say that God is higher than us. That is a conclusion we have drawn. The very Son of God took it upon himself to become one of us, and humans killed him. If God is the God of death, then we are acting no better. We have no reason to complain, not until we stop war, stop crime, stop vilence, stop murder, stop robbery, stop anger, stop abuse, stop rape. Hell, most people can't even get along in civil discussion on a discussion board. Once we have shown how damn good and righteous we are, then maybe we will have the right to bitch at God ... a person whom we have never seen, heard, or even touched. Jim Whitney
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  Undecided

  Amazing you make a few good points but what I can't really understand is why nature,most wild animals etc. which have no choice are more cruel in their actions than humans. And also the natural disasters, viruses, mosquitos which according to TV has killed half of all humans who have lived. Who was responsibile for all this, not humans, so it must have been God.

  Also when God chose a tribe of people they were used to kill continually the other nations and then God turned on them when they didn't meet his every demand.

  It's hard to see this loving God that so many say he gave his son so he could forgive us of something we didn't do.

  Ken P.
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  Amazing

  Hi Ken P.,

  Amazing you make a few good points but what I can't really understand is why nature,most wild animals etc. which have no choice are more cruel in their actions than humans.

  Animals were designed to survive on instinct, not intelligence. We could also argue that they evolved as they did, but I would want to know why more animals have not evolved more intelligence. Not all animals are so cruel, as you put it. But, for animals, killing their prey to eat is no different than humans who hunt and kill to eat ... or humans who raise animals for slaughter and eating. We just do it more proficiently.

  And also the natural disasters, viruses, mosquitos which according to TV has killed half of all humans who have lived. Who was responsibile for all this, not humans, so it must have been God.

  I agree with your comment about nature causing human death. Nature was designed and installed by God. It is a problem for me to explain to myself much less anyone else. The tsunami that killed about 250,000 people in the area of the Indian ocean two years ago is a powerful example of your point. Yet, some people still blam humans for causing it because they believe that we are screwing up the weather. They failed to note that the tsunami was caused by a huge undersea earthquake that shifted the rotation of the planet. To date, no religion or system of philosophy has given good reasons for why God placed us in harms way. We have enough problems as it is without facing such monumental disasters.

  Also when God chose a tribe of people they were used to kill continually the other nations and then God turned on them when they didn't meet his every demand.

  God even kept Israel well trained by retaining some nations to war with Israel ... so that Israel would stay battle ready at all times That is plainly taught in the Old Testament. I think that much of the Bible is far more human works than that of God ... but then again, what part is of God and what part is not? As for God turning on them ... well Israel turned on God every bit as much ... it was a love-hate relationship.

  It's hard to see this loving God that so many say he gave his son so he could forgive us of something we didn't do.

  On this part, the Eastern Orthodox have a different view of Jesus becoming human and then dying for us. I would need to make a separate post, as it would require some discussion and citing source references. But, in short, the Western Christian view is that Jesus had to pay a legal debt to free us from bondage. The Eastern Orthodox view is that Jesus would have come to earth whether we sinned or not ... because his purpose was to join the human to the divine. His death was more about sharing in every aspect of humanity, including pain, suffering, and death. In both Catholic and Orthodox theologies, our nature is not to be humans forever, but rather to get through this life to our real goal of our full spiritual nature. Jim Whitney
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  lowden

  Amazing said

  Nowhere does the Bible say that God is higher than us.

  Well i don't know which bloody bible you've been reading lad!!!!

  At least one quote says that 'gods ways and thoughts are higher than ours'. Try Isaiah 55.

  There are many other quotes. I suggest you actually read the book you're spouting about.

  And how the HELL can ANYONE try to justify the warring, genocidal ragings of the bible god.

  Your reasonings are sick and warped!

  Lowden
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  frankiespeakin

  Zero,

  Yeah you got it right. But to the person who is caught in the beleif of the Bible as God's word, they are fearful of pissing off this god, and so they dare not think anything negative about him lest they meet the same fate as those mentioned in the bible who he slaughtered for thier insulence. And so when the Bible says God is Love, they accept it, and because of fear that they will lose God's favor they make up all kinds of excusses to show he is loving when he gets pissed and wipes out a few thousand. It takes time to be honest with one self, and dare to think clearly on this subject, I'm glad you have, it must have been a struggle to over ride the indoctrination.

  I was one who did that also as a JW, so I know what my motivation was, I was afraid of him and it clouded my judgement, I didn't want to lose faith in him so I bent my mind to Love him,(if that really possible being that he never spoke with me and I never seen him) because the Bible says you have to. There are so many things that keep one from realizing the obvious about him, but the predominate one is fear of loosing salvation. That's why the clever men who wrote certain books of the Bible put such an emphasis on "Faith" as a primary requesit for salvation and lack of Faith, means death or eternal torture(depending on which way you understand the bible). It is a powerful mind control device to stop thinking and just believe once you buy into the whole idea of faith.

  And deep down we know it is wrong to blow our tops and kill somebody, or to get vengence is a form of insanity, yet we believed that to when God does those things he is loving and does it out of purest form of love. Clearly the god of the bible did not creat man in his Image, but more correctly, it is men who created this god in thier image, reflecting the cultural atitudes that they had at the time, thats why we see a change in God's personality as we read about him in the Old testiment, and latter in the New testiment. The personality change was not in this god it was in the men that wrote about him.
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  Amazing

  lowden,

  You said:

  Well i don't know which bloody bible you've been reading lad!!!! At least one quote says that 'gods ways and thoughts are higher than ours'. Try Isaiah 55. There are many other quotes. I suggest you actually read the book you're spouting about.

  I have read and studied every book in the Bible several times. Isaiah 55: [9] "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." This only speaks of God's thoughts and ways. The original poster stated that the Bible said that God is higher. I stand by my statement that the Bible does not say that God is higher than us. The two notions are quite different. What would is mean for God to be literally "higher" than us? In what respect? The Bible says that he dwells within us, so he is not in some other "higher" location. Is God higher in the nature of his being? What would that mean? What does it mean that his thoughts and ways are "higher?" Can you explain what is meant to a Hebrew mind when that verse in read in Hebrew? Or do you rely on what the WTS has told you it means?

  As for the rest of your commentary, you claim:

  And how the HELL can ANYONE try to justify the warring, genocidal ragings of the bible god. Your reasonings are sick and warped!

  I never justified genocidal ragings. You are making a false statement. You fail to provide even the slightest rationale that any of my reasoning or commentary is sick or warped. There are a number of things in the Bible that I do not understand or condon within the context of human or godly reasoning. I simply gave some points to consider in response to the poster.

  Jim Whitney
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  jaguarbass

  There is something very funy about this picture you describe.