JW's - How many Masters are you serving?

by Honesty 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Do Jw's agree with Romans 6:16 that if one obeys someone they are slaves of the one they are obeying?

    Romans 6:16 says, "Do you not know that if you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey — either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?"


    Luke 16:13 says that no servant can be the slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other.

    The Watchtower Society's Daily Text for Monday December 18, 2006 says, "Similarly, we will be blessed if we recognize and obey the prophet greater than Moses, Jesus, as well as "the faithful and discreet slave" appointed by him."

    Jehovah's Witnesses; do you realise that you are attempting to obey two masters, "the faithful and discreet slave" and Jesus?

    God's Word says that you will will hate one and love the other.

    Which one do you hate?
    The "faithful and discreet slave" or Jesus?

    Which one do you love?
    The "faithful and discreet slave" or Jesus?

    God's Word also says that you will be devoted to one and despise the other.

    Which one are you devoted to?
    The "faithful and discreet slave" orJesus?

    Which one do you despise?
    The "faithful and discreet slave" orJesus?




  • Honesty
    Honesty

    I should have added this is for the lurkers and doubters who may still believe the Watchtower may have the Truth after all.

  • Mary
    Mary

    The problem is, the average Witness does not see that they worship the F&DS. That's how tricky this religion is. They have the R&F believing that they worship Jehovah and "support" Christ's brothers. No Witness would ever admit that they worship the F&DS. They're only the "means" by which God communicates with humans. Plus, they are fully confident that the F&DS speaks for Jehovah and/or Jesus---no conflict there. Therefore the illustration about "two master" is moot in their minds.

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    That's how tricky this religion is. Mary

    You are sooo right.

    I have been away too long. It only takes a minute or two to recognise utter BS when I read a WT publication.

    When I was getting dipped 5 times a week I couldn't recognise just how clever they are at deception..

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    I like those scriptures. They would be good to put on the wall. I could have my own yearly text.

  • Confession
    Confession

    I tried to broach this subject in a letter to my mother...

    It is perhaps one of the greatest ironies I will ever witness in my life. More than all other religions I know, Jehovah’s Witnesses ardently emphasize the need to flee from idolatry. No crosses, no holidays, no national emblems… Don’t hang posters of pop culture icons, don’t emulate “worldly” athletes or celebrities… Jehovah’s Witnesses are intensely concerned about committing idolatry, but they cannot see that their devotion to the Watchtower Society is as idolatrous as a thing could be.

    “Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” [Acts 4:24, NWT]

    “Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” [John 14:6, NWT]

    “…survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization.” [Watchtower, May 15, 2006]

    This is an extraordinary deviation from the scriptures, and a shocking apostasy from the faith Christ established. I remember your talking to me about idols when I was a little boy; about the importance of not involving “things” in one’s worship. I even recall your remarking how some people will say, “I’m not worshipping the object itself. It’s just something I like to use; something through which I pray to God.” You made clear that Jehovah did not tolerate such “things.”

    When Jesus compared Himself to Moses’ copper serpent, what was his point? That we had to keep looking at him (Jesus,) right? When He says, “No one comes to the Father except through me,” who is “me?” The scriptures go to great lengths to emphasize the importance of fixating on Christ and the folly of putting your trust in men.

    “Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I should be examined by YOU or by a human tribunal.” [1 Cor. 4:3, NWT]

    “Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
    Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.” [Psalm 146:3, NWT]

    “Not that we are the masters over YOUR faith, but we are fellow workers for YOUR joy, for it is by [YOUR] faith that YOU are standing.” [2 Cor. 1:24, NWT]

    But it’s okay. You’re not really putting your faith in the men at the Watchtower Society. You’re just putting your faith in Christ through them, aren’t you? Does this remind you of the aforementioned warning about idolatry you yourself gave to me? Don’t think this applies to you? Then ask yourself: Is it possible for you to successfully put your faith in Jesus without having this reliance upon and allegiance with the Watchtower Society? If you answer “no” how can you not recognize this relationship with the organization as being idolatrous?

    They are not simply “fellow workers for your joy.” Regardless of what C.T. Russell originally intended, they have become a centralized religious authority structure that demands “loyalty” to them, threatens disloyalty to them, and teaches that there is no faith in God apart from faith in them. When Jesus warned to watch out for the “leaven” of the Pharisees, why do you think He used that word? Isn’t it because, despite the best of intentions, human authority structures breed corruption just like a growing yeast? Jesus saved his greatest denunciation for religious leaders, and told us instead to put our faith in Him. If this organization’s leadership and their appointees are not “masters over your faith,” WHO ARE?

  • Mary
    Mary

    Wow! Confession.....did you get a response?

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Excellent point Honesty, there is no gray matter and the insidious wording of the lit many witnesses do not know that they are be trained to serve two and that by their listening to literture over the Bible that they are making the choice to serve man. This is one of the fundemental reasons why I read only the Bible as My authority. If I am going to err, then I am going to err by only following the words of my Lord and forget the man made form of wisdom and religion. Very good point and yet sad that as the other posts admit, the average witness just doesn't see it. abr

  • yaddayadda
    yaddayadda

    It's a good point that the 'FDS' are wrong to demand the same obedience as Christ, but you've created a bit of a false dichotomy. It's not a question of hating Jesus or the FDS because the JW's believe that the FDS are ambassadors substituting for Christ, and that they should submit themselves to these ones 'taking the lead among them' as representatives of Christ. So they see submission and obedience to the nebulous 'faithful and discreet slave' class as tantamount to obedience to Christ.

  • Confession
    Confession
    It's a good point that the 'FDS' are wrong to demand the same obedience as Christ, but you've created a bit of a false dichotomy. It's not a question of hating Jesus or the FDS because the JW's believe that the FDS are ambassadors substituting for Christ, and that they should submit themselves to these ones 'taking the lead among them' as representatives of Christ. So they see submission and obedience to the nebulous 'faithful and discreet slave' class as tantamount to obedience to Christ.

    Yes, Yadda, it's true that JWs "believe" this, and that "they see" things this way. But I don't see this as a "false dichotomy." We know they have this understanding, but (with eyes now opened) we're able to see that there is no legitimate biblical provision for a "class" of men who tells us, basically, "The Bible isn't enough. Christ isn't enough. You can only have God's approval if you submit to our authority." We know how they see it, but that doesn't mean it's not idolatrous from a biblical perspective. Ask yourself, do JWs teach that Jehovah will ultimately excuse idolatry practiced by those who don't know any better?

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