When I was a Witness, the teaching was that Jesus COULD NEVER PHYSICALLY RETURN, because He would have been reclaiming the body that He had sacrificed forever. In the Law, you can't TAKE BACK a sacrifice. But that was thirty years ago. What's also interesting in the Law is that you can't get punished for someone else's sin. So Jesus dying for all our sins is a contradiction of the Law itself.
Why doesn't the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of Jesus return?
by booker-t 22 Replies latest watchtower bible
-
-
garybuss
The idea that Jesus does not know when he will return is interesting in view of the Watch Tower Society's teaching that Jesus created everything except himself. That means Jesus created all and sees all. That means the end time can't be predicted by ANYTHING on earth. Not the Bible, not the creation of Eve, not by measuring pyramids, not by applying numbers to anything at all, not anything! Because if the end could be predicted by ANYTHING on earth, Jesus would have known.
That means the Watch Tower leaders can forget about reading tea leaves and everything else they have done to predict Jesus' return. Nothing is going to work . . . by their own teachings. -
parakeet
Because it would spoil the surprise!
-
chaiyah
Maybe you're being a little harsh about this. Nobody -- no human being -- sees more than this four-dimensional world; and history, the 6th dimension, flows over our heads. We who live in cause-and-effect have no access to knowledge about subtle and subjective movements between order and chaos (conspiracies) that are not yet revealed. There is no church that knows except the one that operates by affecting history itself, as Jesuit-Catholics and Occult-Masons do. I have heard rumors that the WTBTS is in league with the Illuminati; but no proof whatsoever. Em
-
-
lighthouse19something
The Holy Spirit is the omnipresence of the Father, Jesus did not have any power on his own. The power he used for miracles was the HS which God gave him use of at baptisim. Jesus also lost the HS at his execution, that is why Jesus ask the Father 'why have you forsaken me".
-
Loris
Mark 13:32 (KJV) — But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
It does not say "shall not know" the month or year but do not know (present tense) the day or hour. This phrase is actually the Hebrew idiom for the "Feast that no man knows the day or hour", that is, "Yom Teruah" / "Feast of Trumpets/Shouting". This is the only feast day that you do not know in advance exactly when it is going to start because it happens on the day of the new visible crescent moon of the 7th month.
The statement was never meant to say we could never know the timing of the the Messiah's coming in advance. That would conflict with many other scriptures if it were the intent. But Christians generally understand it to mean "dont set dates or get distracted studying prophecy", which is understandable since historically every past date for the reign of Messiah has been wrong.
Nevertheless, we were given the 70 weeks of Daniel and the Parable of the Fig Tree to "show his servants" the timing of these things in advance (See Rev 1:1-2). Moreover, there are any number of timing markers given in Daniel and Revelation which once you see them happen, you know that the Messiah's return will be in either 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days, 42 months or 3½ years from that point! Thus once you see the event you know the the timing of Second Advent down to year, month and day, as long as you can accurately handle counting the passing of days.
http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/no-man-knows-the-day-or-hour.htm
-
Qcmbr
I would suggest that there isn't a set time and that we are in charge of when it will be by our actions.
-
tetrapod.sapien
Maybe you're being a little harsh about this. Nobody -- no human being -- sees more than this four-dimensional world;
speak for yourself. i regularily meet the higher vibrational pan-dimensional self-transforming fractal machine elves of hyperspace. they send messages of love.
Why doesn't the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of Jesus return?
because jesus suffers from multiple personality disorder?
or
because jesus is actually a manifestation of our own unrecognized potentials, and anything associated with him, like the so-called holy spirit, cannot "know" anything until we ourselves attain a remembering? aka gnosis?
or
because in the spirit of being holy, the holy spirit is only being fair. to know, would imply consciousness. and consciousness would imply anthropomorphism. and that, my friend, is a cardinal sin.
:)
tetra
-
tetrapod.sapien
I would suggest that there isn't a set time and that we are in charge of when it will be by our actions.
ouch Q. my goodness. this reminds me of xian fundies from the states, like george w bush and that new american century think tank, who believe that they will bring about the rapture themselves. i find this sort of thinking process scary because xian fundies are not the most balanced homo sapiens i have ever met. i mean, sure, if the faith you held was actually beyond a doubt some sort of manifestly real reality. but what if you guys are all delusional like i think you are? wouldn't that mean that instead of just bringing about the rapture, you are actually just causing suffering and death on a mass mass mass scale? things that make me go "hmmm....." things that should make you go "hmmmm...." tetra