Toasting is wrong because.........

by Gill 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gill
    Gill

    So why, according to the Feb 15th Watchtower is toasting wrong?

    Apparantly:

    'Toasting today may not be viewed by many as a religious gesture. Still, there are valid reasons why Christians do not share in toasting, which has a religious background and even now can be viewed as asking 'heaven' for a blessing, as if seeking aid from a superhuman force.' Ex 23:2

    If asking heaven for a blessing is wrong and a superhuman force for help is wrong, then why do the Watchtower not ban praying! I take it that God is not in his heaven and no longer allowed to be superhuman!!

    Sometimes their reasoning......just beggars belief!

  • Ingenuous
    Ingenuous

    I thought toasting was wrong because the noise from the glasses was believed to scare away demons?

    Really stupid demons...

  • GoingGoingGone
    GoingGoingGone
    Still, there are valid reasons why Christians do not share in toasting,

    Did they list any of those?

    GGG

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Superstition holds that clinking glasses will scare away evil spirits.

    So the JW really believes that if you clink glasses then you are not showing trust in Jehovah who is stronger than Satan and his demons!

    The following is from: http://www.weddingspecialistswny.com/info/info24.html

    Why A Wedding Toast?

    What about the origin of "toasting"? As drink goes, wine has always been central to the wedding, even mentioned in the Bible. The first recorded toast was given at a Saxony feast in 450A.D. by a woman who became a bride herself before the end of the evening.
    British King Vortigern was so moved by the sentiment-- a simple "Lord King, be of health," offered by Rowena, daughter of the Saxony leader Hengist, that he proceeded to make passionate love to her. Intoxicated by the drink, possible love and definitely greed, he then bargained with Hengist for her hand. A deal was arranged whereby Hengist received the province of Kent in exchange for her hand. Vortigern and Rowena were married that same evening. From that time forth, "to life, to health, to love," has been a part of the toasting tradition, as glass touches glass and a chorus of clinks heralds a festive time for all.
    Once it literally involved scorched bread. In the days when wine was regularly decanted, it left much more of a sediment than our modern bottles do. So the French cleverly placed a piece of toast in the bottom of the cup to absorb the dregs.
    A competent toaster drank everything to get to the toast at the bottom because decorum dictated that one drain the glass. So good wishes were often accompanied with the dictum, "Bottoms up!". Today the good wishes remain but happily the actual soggy toast has disappeared. And, clinking of glasses after a toast scares away the devil who is repelled by the noise.

  • Gill
    Gill

    GGG - They basically jsut run through religious ceremonies, Baal worship, tosting someones health...that is all.

  • Gill
    Gill

    Funnily enough they do mention the wedding ring:

    'Moreover, the wedding ring at one time had religious significance. Yet, most people today do no know that, considering a wedding ring a mere evidence that someone is married.'

    Bizarre. Yet wearing a wedding ring is still allowed.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    >>Superstition holds that clinking glasses will scare away evil spirits.

    That may be true. I've noticed that shortly after toasting, the spirits in my glass seem to disappear!

    (I remember hearing the "clinking to scare the demons" bit too, but I don't recall reading it.)

    Dave

  • jinjam
    jinjam

    >>Superstition holds that clinking glasses will scare away evil spirits. thats funny mine too

  • fairchild
    fairchild

    >>Superstition holds that clinking glasses will scare away evil spirits.

    That may be true. I've noticed that shortly after toasting, the spirits in my glass seem to disappear!

    Hahaha only Dave.

    But maybe toasting is wrong because it is fun?

  • mama1119
    mama1119
    But maybe toasting is wrong because it is fun

    That sounds about right

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