by cultswatter 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
http://www.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=29
The memorial attendance for 1928 is listed as 17,380. This shows that at least 75% percent of the watchtower members left after Rutherford lied to them.
i was wondering where the above site gets it's source from ?? i always thought the WTS was embarrased to publish numbers when there was a decrease.
Maybe someone of you know what WTS publication these numbers came from?
whoops sorry the link is not working try again
http://www.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=29
Sorry I'm doing everything right but windoze is once again proving to be a pain in the arse .
I'll try to copy the actual table wish me luck
| Jahr | Höchstzahl | Durchschn. | Taufen | Pioniere | Versammlungen | Stunden | Studien | Ged-Mahl | Gesalbte |
| 2006 | 6.741.444 | 6.491.775 | 248.327 | 642.182 269.557 | 99.770 | 1.333.966.199 | 6.286.618 | 16.675.113 | 8.758 |
| 2005 | 6.613.829 | 6.390.016 | 247.631 | 623.308 219.926 | 98.269 | 1.278.201.985 | 6.061.546 | 16.383.333 | 8.524 |
| 2004 | 6.513.132 | 6.308.341 | 262.416 | 858.461 | 96.894 | 1.282.234.887 | 6.085.387 | 16.760.607 | 8.570 |
| 2003 | 6.429.351 | 6.184.046 | 258.845 | 825.185 | 95.919 | 1.234.796.477 | 5.726.509 | 16.097.622 | 8.565 |
| 2002 | 6.304.645 | 6.048.600 | 265.469 | 798.938 | 94.600 | 1.202.381.302 | 5.309.289 | 15.597.746 | 8.760 |
| 2001 | 6.117.666 | 5.881.776 | 263.431 | 787.439 | 93.154 | 1.169.082.225 | 4.921.702 | 15.374.986 | 8.730 |
| 2000 | 6.035.564 | 5.783.003 | 288.907 | 805.205 | 91.487 | 1.171.270.425 | 4.766.631 | 14.872.086 | 8.661 |
| 1999 | 5.912.492 | 5.653.987 | 323.439 | 738.343 | 89.985 | 1.144.566.849 | 4.433.884 | 14.088.751 | 8.755 |
| 1998 | 5.888.650 | 5.544.059 | 316.092 | 698.781 | 87.644 | 1.186.666.708 | 4.302.852 | 13.896.312 | 8.756 |
| 1997 | 5.599.931 | 5.353.078 | 375.923 | 706.270 | 85.256 | 1.179.735.841 | 4.552.589 | 14.322.226 | 8.795 |
| 1996 | 5.413.769 | 5.167.258 | 366.579 | 645.509 | 81.908 | 1.140.621.714 | 4.855.030 | 12.921.933 | 8.757 |
| 1995 | 5.199.895 | 4.950.344 | 338.491 | 663.521 | 78.620 | 1.150.353.444 | 4.865.060 | 13.147.201 | 8.645 |
| 1994 | 4.914.094 | 4.695.111 | 314.818 | 636.202 | 75.573 | 1.096.065.354 | 4.701.357 | 12.288.917 | 8.617 |
| 1993 | 4.709.889 | 4.483.900 | 296.004 | 623.006 | 73.070 | 1.057.341.972 | 4.515.587 | 11.865.765 | 8.693 |
| 1992 | 4.472.787 | 4.289.737 | 301.002 | 605.610 | 69.558 | 1.024.910.434 | 4.278.127 | 11.431.171 | 8.683 |
| 1991 | 4.278.820 | 4.071.954 | 300.945 | 558.514 | 66.207 | 951.870.021 | 3.947.261 | 10.650.158 | 8.850 |
| 1990 | 4.017.213 | 3.846.311 | 301.518 | 536.508 | 63.016 | 895.229.440 | 3.624.091 | 9.950.058 | 8.869 |
| 1989 | 3.787.188 | 3.624.773 | 263.855 | 497.006 | 60.192 | 835.426.560 | 3.419.745 | 9.479.064 | 8.734 |
| 1988 | 3.592.654 | 3.430.926 | 239.268 | 455.561 | 57.670 | 785.521.728 | 3.237.160 | 9.201.071 | 8.685 |
| 1987 | 3.395.612 | 3.237.751 | 230.843 | 436.179 | 54.911 | 739.019.264 | 3.005.048 | 8.965.221 | 8.808 |
| 1986 | 3.229.022 | 3.063.289 | 225.868 | 391.294 | 52.177 | 680.837.056 | 2.726.252 | 8.160.597 | 8.927 |
| 1985 | 3.024.131 | 2.865.183 | 189.800 | 322.821 | 49.716 | 590.540.224 | 2.379.146 | 7.792.109 | 9.051 |
| 1984 | 2.842.531 | 2.680.274 | 179.421 | 258.936 | 47.869 | 505.588 032 | 2.047.113 | 7.416.974 | 9.031 |
| 1983 | 2.652.323 | 2.501.722 | 161.896 | 206.098 | 46.235 | 436.720.992 | 1.797.112 | 6.767.707 | 9.292 |
| 1982 | 2.477.608 | 2.342.634 | 138.540 | 172.859 | 44.953 | 384.856.672 | 1.586.293 | 6.252.787 | 9.529 |
| 1981 | 2.361.896 | 2.247.486 | 119.836 | 151.180 | 43.870 | 358.581.536 | 1.475.177 | 5.987.893 | 9.601 |
| 1980 | 2.272.278 | 2.175.403 | 113.779 | 137.861 | 43.181 | 339.427.616 | 1.371.584 | 5.726.656 | 9.564 |
| 1979 | 2.186.075 | 2.097.070 | 113.672 | 127.558 | 42.600 | 318.974.336 | 1.261.735 | 5.323.766 | 9.727 |
| 1978 | 2.182.341 | 2.086.698 | 95.052 | 115.389 | 42.255 | 307.272.256 | 1.257.084 | 5.095.831 | 9.762 |
| 1977 | 2.223.538 | 2.117.194 | 124.459 | 119.289 | 41.635 | 321.424.320 | 1.282.246 | 5.107.518 | 10.080 |
| 1976 | 2.248.390 | 2.138.537 | 196.656 | 113.926 | 40.155 | 359.258.016 | 1.339.466 | 4.972.571 | 10.187 |
| 1975 | 2.179.256 | 2.062.449 | 295.073 | 130.225 | 38.256 | 382.296.192 | 1.411.256 | 4.925.643 | 10.550 |
| 1974 | 2.021.432 | 1.880.713 | 297.872 | 127.135 | 34.576 | 371.132.576 | 1.351.404 | 4.550.457 | 10.723 |
| 1973 | 1.758.429 | 1.656.673 | 193.990 | 94.604 | 31.850 | 300.468.672 | 1.209.544 | 3.994.924 | 10.523 |
| 1972 | 1.658.990 | 1.596.442 | 163.123 | 92.026 | 28.407 | 291.894.944 | 1.269.277 | 3.662.407 | 10.350 |
| 1971 | 1.590.793 | 1.510.245 | 149.808 | 95.501 | 27.154 | 291.952.384 | 1.257.904 | 3.453.542 | 10.384 |
| 1970 | 1.483.430 | 1.384.782 | 164.193 | 88.871 | 26.524 | 267.581.120 | 1.146.378 | 3.226.168 | 10.526 |
| 1969 | 1.336.112 | 1.256.784 | 120.905 | 76.515 | 25.694 | 239.769.072 | 1.097.237 | 2.719.860 | 10.368 |
| 1968 | 1.221.504 | 1.155.826 | 82.842 | 63.871 | 25.409 | 208.666.768 | 977.503 | 2.493.519 | 10.619 |
| 1967 | 1.160.604 | 1.094.280 | 74.981 | 53.764 | 25.206 | 183.995 184 | 867.009 | 2.195.612 | 10.981 |
| 1966 | 1.118.665 | 1.058.675 | 58.904 | 47.092 | 24.910 | 170.664.896 | 802.473 | 1.971.107 | 11.179 |
| 1965 | 1.109.806 | 1.034.268 | 64.393 | 47.853 | 24.158 | 171.247.648 | 770.595 | 1.933.089 | 11.550 |
| 1964 | 1.075.523 | 1.001.870 | 68.236 | 42.938 | 23.483 | 162.808 320 | 741.367 | 1.809.476 | 11.953 |
| 1963 | 1.040.836 | 956.648 | 62.798 | 38.573 | 22.761 | 151.251.248 | 702.470 | 1.693.752 | 11.292 |
| 1962 | 989.192 | 920.920 | 69.649 | 33.560 | 22.166 | 142.046.672 | 654.210 | 1.639.681 | 12.714 |
| 1961 | 956.169 | 884.587 | 29.844 | 21.557 | 132.695.536 | 622.665 | 1.553.909 | 13.284 | |
| 1960 | 916.332 | 851.378 | 69.027 | 30.584 | 21.008 | 131.662.688 | 640.458 | 1.519.821 | 13.911 |
| 1959 | 871.737 | 803.482 | 86.345 | 28.688 | 19.982 | 126.317.120 | 606.075 | 1.283.603 | 14.511 |
| 1958 | 798.326 | 717.088 | 62.666 | 23.772 | 17.878 | 110.390.944 | 508.320 | 1.171.789 | 15.037 |
| 1957 | 716.901 | 653.273 | 59.828 | 20.912 | 16.883 | 100.135.016 | 413.049 | 1.075.163 | 15.628 |
| 1956 | 640.347 | 591.556 | 16.783 | 16.240 | 87.353.776 | 333.330 | 919.994 | 16.302 | |
| 1955 | 642.929 | 570.694 | 63.642 | 17.011 | 16.044 | 85.832.248 | 337.456 | 878.303 | 16.815 |
| 1954 | 580.498 | 525.924 | 57.369 | 17.265 | 14.531 | 80.814.992 | 293.341 | 829.836 | 17.884 |
| 1953 | 519.982 | 468.106 | 50.665 | 17.443 | 14.163 | 72.344.728 | 281.219 | 742.565 | 19.108 |
| 1952 | 456.265 | 426.704 | 54.707 | 18.181 | 13.942 | 68.703.696 | 279.622 | 667.099 | 20.221 |
| 1951 | 442.380 | 384.694 | 63.178 | 17.955 | 13.470 | 62.854.484 | 260.187 | 623.760 | 21.619 |
| 1950 | 373.430 | 328.572 | 14.093 | 13.238 | 54.707.444 | 234.952 | 511.203 | 22.723 | |
| 1949 | 317.877 | 279.421 | 42.524 | 12.424 | 12.535 | 53.741.548 | 167.571 | 453.274 | 24.312 |
| 1948 | 260.756 | 230.532 | 8.994 | 11.714 | 49.832.204 | 130.281 | 376.393 | 25.395 | |
| 1947 | 207.552 | 181.071 | 7.017 | 10.782 | 43.842.304 | 113.035 | 335.415 | 26.449 | |
| 1946 | 176.456 | 158.034 | 38.284.008 | 266.201 | 27.587 | ||||
| 1945 | 141.606 | 127.478 | 6.721 | 7.218 | 34.768.684 | 104.142 | 186.137 | 22.324 | |
| 1944 | 128.976 | 31.458.684 | 170.458 | 22.684 | |||||
| 1943 | 126.329 | 109.794 | 6.310 | 28.726.524 | 66.493 | 154.367 | 23.577 | ||
| 1942 | 115.240 | 106.000 | 28.030.048 | 12.404 | 140.450 | 24.035 | |||
| 1941 | 106.137 | 22.770.622 | 98.076 | 23.989 | |||||
| 1940 | 95.327 | 5.251 | 5.130 | 20.675.194 | 96.613 | 27.620 | |||
| 1939 | 71.509 | 61.589 | 15.157.906 | 77.164 | 29.385 | ||||
| 1938 | 59.047 | 47.143 | 4.112 | 3.633 | 10.572.086 | 69.345 | 36.732 | ||
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| 1936 | 24.850 | ||||||||
| 1935 | 56.153 | 73.469 | 4.655 | 32.795 * | 27.006 * | ||||
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| 1933 | 58.804 | ||||||||
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| 1930 | 2.897 | ||||||||
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| 1928 | 44.080 | 23.988 | 1.883 | 2.866.164 | 17.380 | ||||
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| 1926 | 89.278 | ||||||||
| 1925 | 1.435 | 90.434 | |||||||
| 1924 | 65.105 | ||||||||
| 1923 | 42.000 | ||||||||
| 1922 | 32.661 | ||||||||
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| 1920 | 8.052 | 350 | |||||||
| 1919 | 507 | 17.961 | |||||||
| 1918 | 7.000 | 3.868 | 591 | 19.116 | |||||
| 1917 | 11.421 | 461 | 813 | 21.274 | |||||
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| 1915 | 15.430 | ||||||||
| 1914 | 1.200 | ||||||||
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| 1908 | 21.274 | ||||||||
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| 1899 | 339 | 2.501 | |||||||
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| 1891 | 4.000 | ||||||||
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The link is good....but you have to copy it into the location window; it somehow isn't hotlinked. I've made a link here through Google, which should also translate the page (hopefully this will work):
http://www.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=310&Itemid=29
To answer your question, the source is the following graph published by the Society in the 1958 Yearbook (p. 284):
Notice that they start the graph in 1928, omitting the earlier figures that would show a decrease. However, curiously, the earlier figures were filled in another 1958 publication (Your Will be Done, p. 334, 339), which cites them in a typical Fred Franz attempt to portray the JWs as fulfilling Bible prophecy:
These contain the attendance figures given in the German graph:
1919: 17,961
1922: 32,661
1923: 42,000
1924: 62,696
1925: 90,434
1926: 89,278
1928: 17,380
I should also mention that the Your Will Be Done book leaves the false impression that the decrease was only 1,000 or so, by highlighting the drop from 90,434 to 89,278 (as due to people going back "to the world") without mentioning the more drastic drops in the next few years. It is only by comparing the two publications that the huge decrease becomes evident.
The 1929 Yearbook lacks the total figures later reported by the Society, but has this interesting comment that indicates that the drop in preaching was even greater in some places:
"In Northern Europe 3,471 partook of the memorial; but the average out each week, though ten more than last year, was only 780. There is a large disparity between 3,471 and 780 and the 'Where Are the Nine?" leaflet issued by the Society was a searching reminder to each of the consecrated as to his responsibility as part of 'that servant' at this time. Again our Lord says: 'Where are the nine?' " (p. 108).
I would like to see that tract. It seems that the Where Are the Nine? tract was issued in response to the huge decreases that followed the 1925 debacle.
One cause for caution is the fact that the Society has given two totally different figures for memorial attendance in 1935:
*** w88 12/15 p. 12 Angelic Messages for Our Day ***
In 1935 attendance worldwide at the Memorial observance of Jesus’ death was 32,795. Of these, 27,006 partook of the emblems as being the remaining ones on earth of the 144,000, whose hope is heavenly.
*** w96 8/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
For example, at the Memorial celebration in 1935, attended by 63,146, those partaking of the emblems in evidence of their profession to be anointed numbered 52,465. Thirty years later, or in 1965, the attendance was 1,933,089, while the partakers decreased to 11,550.
The second figure also appears in the 1993 Proclaimers book (p. 717) and the 15 February 2003 Watchtower (p. 18). And yet, when you look at the original 1936 Yearbook, the actual published figures are the ones that appeared in the original 1988 Watchtower article:
So clearly there has been some revisionism....either the originally published figures were in error (and corrected in the research that went into the Proclaimers book) or they have been inflated to almost twice their original size. It is also worth nothing that the 1937 Yearbook gives the memorial figures for 1936 as 35,172 attending and 25,435 partaking (p. 69), which would seemingly support the older figures. However, it is quite striking that the grand totals for "Other Outlying Countries" for both years is so pitifully small. For instance, the 1937 Yearbook notes that there were 1,060 memorial partakers in Hungary (p. 153), a figure that is clearly not added to the overall total which has only 243 partakers outside the U.S. Similarly, the 1936 Yearbook noted that 10,537 attended the memorial in central Europe -- a number clearly exceeding the 300 for "Other Outlying Countries". This suggests to me that the newer Proclaimers numbers are indeed more accurate, since the older totals included mostly only the U.S. figures. But this raises the question of whether the 1928 figure is comparable, whether it might omit non-U.S. figures as were done in 1936 and 1937. However, I find it hard to believe that such a basic computational error was committed independently so early.
Last night I also took a look at how the early Memorial attendance reports (published in the Watchtower) were put together. They only counted city totals of Bible Students in excess of 20 or (later) 30 attendees, and there is no obvious sign of how many other cities there were that had Memorial observances at which less than 20 or 30 people attended. I suppose that they could be estimated however by figuring out from other sources which other cities had Bible Student ecclesias where Memorial meetings would have been held. But this means that figures before 1935 at the latest underestimate the number of attendees and partakers and thus are not quite equal comparisons with later figures.
Leolaia
Thanks for your research. It seems no one else could dig this stuff up. Leo you are a genius but how did you manage to fix that link? Seems I don''t know much about windoze after all.
The discrepancy for 1935 is well noted in the german chart. look at the entrys for 1935 you will see an asterisk beside the memorial figures. The germans must also doubt those figures as well.
The memorial numbers are a testament to the fact that the remnant are followers of men. If the remnant were followers of God then none of them would have fallen away from 1925 -1928. So we are confidently sure that most remnant are fakes. Jesus said "a little leaven ferments the whole lump". Jws hate apostates but will associate with them at the memorial
Yes, thanks to both of you for this research. Does anyone know where the documentation is for the 21,000 Memorial figure for the year 1917? I tried the 1917 WT but could not find it. Perhaps I missed it?
