Bible Students wierd interpretation of Matthew 24:28

by lovelylil 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • RAF
    RAF
    Excuse my rude manners, but; why can't the most superlative superbeing in all the universe JUST COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY WHAT HE MEANS!!??

    I don't need any excuse ... It's just your right to believe whatever you want
    Now if you only focused on religious meaning your reaction is understandable to me (it is ...)
    but don't ask me to explain you why ... I have my own understanding of it all it is not because I believe from my understanding that it will bring you to my understanding anyway.

    Have you read the bible for real? by yourself? and not only verses here and there towards religious study?
    If no ... Try it.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    I like the way the Bible is written just fine. It is very poetic if you think about it. Jesus used illustrations and allegories to teach basic truths to his disciples and this is a very good way to teach really. When you can "picture" things in your mind, you can more easily recall it and understand it. The Bible is not a difficult book to understand for it was written for and by mostly average, unschooled men. Although some (like Paul) were very well educated. Like RAF said, you just have to take a little time to read it yourself, in its context, and you will get the basic understanding. Of course, if you don't believe the Bible is any better than any other old book, this would be a moot point then wouldn't it? Lilly

  • Terry
    Terry
    Have you read the bible for real? by yourself? and not only verses here and there towards religious study?
    If no ... Try it.

    That is the right question you have asked.

    I'm 60 years old.

    I was a small child sitting in my grandmother's lap when the bible was first opened up in front of me and words soothingly read into my innocent ear.

    As a young teen my best friend (a JW) started tossing religious questions at me I was unable (ill-equipped) to answer.

    Never once did it ever occur to me to ask the most important question of myself: Why is this book (bible) trusted as having superior information from a superbeing? Is it a real document of communication or is it the result of many men over many centuries fooling themselves and others?

    I never aksed that question!

    I have read the bible at least once a year since I was 19. At first I filtered what I read only through the interpretations of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. At the age of 30 I left the Kingdom Hall forever. My views of the bible and "meaning" lingered in the same zone of JW influence for at least 10 years.

    When I met and married my Jewish wife I encountered a completely different mindset and sensibility.

    I had to rethink how I was coming off and presenting my views.

    I started reading "other" scholars, historians and professors of religion which I'd ignored over the years.

    That is when my mind began to change.

    From about the age of 40 I started to view what I'd thought all my life about the bible as being naive and ill-informed.

    I started to learn that things weren't as they had been presented to me. Had I been lied to? Or, were the viewpoints I'd been presented with as fact merely been uninformed and colored by an agenda?

    For the first time in my entire life I took a more objective view about Holy Writings. I decided I'd read about the history of scripture, the bible canon, the early church, religious doctrine and the spread of ideas among first century believers.

    My world changed!

    I'd invite you to take a similar voyage of discovery. At your tender age it is very easy to remain complacent. You feel comfortable. That is a bad thing when it comes to knowledge. Feeling comfortable can make you intellectually lazy about subjecting your ideology to a stringent test by exposing yourself to scholarship that challenges your belief.

    So, in answer to your direct question: HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE FOR REAL? I'd say that now, finally, I can define the "bible" as something completely different than you and inject reality into what I read.

    That is different from what you are doing.

    You have swallowed a very large presupposition and never tested the reality of it.

    The words you read and believe and base your opinions and faith on are not much more than the result of a process repeated thousands of times by religious people with an agenda in mind. Stories, rumours, hearsay and myths have been worked, reworked, polished, added to, omitted and restructured time and again to fit a mindset and a belief.

    What you read when you open your bible is just that.

    Am I the only person who thinks this? Read books by bible scholars, professors of theology from a very wide range of thinking and examine the history for yourself FIRST before you answer.

    There never was just ONE Christianity nor one bible. Everything was an argument, an opinion, a battle of minds and words and persuasions. Whoever had power for a moment tried to control the "word" and the thinking of others. People who disagreed were labeled heretics, apostates and banished, stoned, hanged, burned and driven away. Back and forth this process went over centuries and centuries and centuries.

    You cannot know this unless you are honest with yourself and take the necessary courageous step toward self-discovery.

    I invite you to do this for your own sake.

    Thanks for asking the question.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Terry,

    You make some good points. The problem is not every word of the Bible is supposed to be taken as literal. For instance the book of Proverbs are wise sayings. Many take them as literal prophecies for the future. This is where the WT got the "new light" doctrine from. The bible contains history, poetry, prophecy, allegories, and much more. It is an ecclectic mix of different types of writings. But many like myself and a life long Bible reader also, understand that and still believe the Bible has a lot of merit and was inspired by God.

    I'm a little younger than you, but I started reading the Bible at 12, (the NT). I also discovered in recent years, I was wrong on many issues. Now I read the Bible along with commentaries, works by Tactitus and Josephus, bible dictionaries, etc. to try to get a better understanding of things. I've had to let go of some very long held misconceptions about the Bible, and my views are shaped daily. It is a learning experience and you have to be opened minded in a way, I understand what you are saying.

    In some texts we have to step back and look at the broad view, such as what is the principle trying to be conveyed here. Instead of just trying to interpret every letter of every word precisly to get one view. Some texts may be black/white, others are more grey. The Bible does not save anyone anyway, even Christians should understand this. It is thier personal relationship or knowing the person of Christ that is most important. The Bible is said to testify about Christ, but the Bible itself does not save anyone.

    Anyway, thanks for giving us some of your background. And thank you for your comments. I always enjoy your point of view. Lilly

  • RAF
    RAF

    Thanks lovelylil (It'll ease my answer)You exposed the viewpoint very well

    Terry,

    In your first post you seemed to attack me in excusing yourself ... I've said you don't have to ... then as you were only spitting on whatever the bible says as bullsh*t ... I've wondered if you have read the bible ... it was not an attak in anyway

    But your answer do not state if you have or not read the bible by yourself, you are saying that you've read lots of other stuff ... (which is good of course) ...

    If you read my first post as frenchbabyface you'll have a good laugh about my position today (it was very closer from yours).

    Also If I look way younger I'm still about being 40 and the mother of 25 years old ... What do you think that I do not read and even if I was a kid would it mean that I can't have my own interpretation on things? ... I hate to just follow ... I need to understand first ... or at least I need to be ok whith were it leads (but you still have to think from that ... it can takes time). I always did have my own interpretation on things - Even without really reading the bible I couldn't buy the JW teaching, pratice, fake love already I left at 12 ... BUT the fact is that about the bible I haven't read it myself before ... But lately I did !

    And the reason why I've read it myself was not to believe in it but to proove that it was all bullshit to my familly (I took this job very seriously) ... but OOOps ... I've realised it was not bulshit from my own understanding (it have nothing to do with what religious word for word teachers are saying about ... not at all) ... So what do you want me to say? ... it's bullshit anyway? I can't anymore !!!

    But still, I understand your point of view ... It does not mean I'm wrong (to me) nor that I'm right (to you) ... It's all about your percepton versus mine from what we experienced in our own side.

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Leolaia,

    Thank you for bringing this thread back to a discussion of Matthew 24:28. Your thoughts were very interesting as always. I was especially intrigued by the last line you wrote. Lilly

  • RAF
    RAF

    Leolaia : and thus evokes the image of Jerusalem and its Temple being surrounded and circled (like vultures) by Roman armies bearing "eagle" standards.

    Thanks God this is what it means to me (you've put it very clearly religiously talking).

    Eddited to add : vultures are those who eat those who are fooled (by religions)

    Eddited to add 2 : the image is "those who let themself being fooled are appealing for the vultures"

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