Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-28-07 WT Study (GIVE HOLY SPIRIT)

by blondie 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  blondie

  Reading your great comments reminded me of this ridiculous comment by the WTS.

  *** g02 9/8 pp. 26-27 Prayers That Are Heard by God ***

  However, prayers must meet certain requirements if they are to be acceptable to God. First, they must be directed exclusively to God—not to Jesus, to a "saint," or to an idol. (Exodus 20:4, 5) Prayers must also be offered in the name of God’s Son, Jesus Christ. (John 14:6) Does this mean that our prayers are heard by Jesus first and that he relays the message to God? No. Rather, by praying to Jehovah in the name of Jesus, we identify ourselves as Christ’s disciples and we acknowledge that it is only because of his ransom that we are able to approach God.—Hebrews 4:14-16.
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  heathen

  Wow what an article . You were right, that analogy of calling a doctor in the middle of the night just did not make any sense .It's like they still want to delegate what constitutes an emergency for everybody. Emergency rooms are open 24 hours a day so anybody can find help whenever they need it. God himself certainly never said there were restrictions on the level of urgency , I think he's happy to hear and help all that believe. Sounds more like what jesus point was , he only helps those that ask .I'm guessing the point now is that the GC can receive holy spirit? It only makes sense that holy spirit is the only thing that wards off satanic attacks as my belief is that satan does in fact attack the mental regulations of individuals, almost like a possesion but there is not a complete break down such as seen in cases where people lose control of all their identity and physical functions . It was interesting in the article they are now trying to move people to a personal relationship with God ,since apparently asking the organization does not seem to work .The organization is only interested in what you have to give them . How's that for hospitality?
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  NanaR

  For some reason, this particular Watchtower study motivated a "brother" to pay my husband a visit this afternoon. This is the second visit where the "brother" (different ones) particularly asked for Fred. The last time he was not in the house. Today my husband was running on the treadmill (right beside the door).
  
  The "brother" (one that was not an elder when we were there, but who knows now?) came to the door in freezing weather wearing only his suit jacket. When I told him that Fred was running on the treadmill, he said he wanted to encourage us to come back to meetings and he held up a highlighted and underlined 12-15 Watchtower. He pointed at a passage that pretty much said "The end is upon us" or some such thing.
  
  Like I've never heard that before.
  
  He said, "We want you to know that Jehovah loves you." This from somebody who was close to being inactive when we were going to the hall. But the "end is near", so I guess HS is motivating everybody these days.
  
  I admonished him for being out without an overcoat. He said he was "just making return visits".
  
  Wonder why they are asking for my husband? My thought is that they want to talk to him about the activities of his wife -- headship and all that c**p.
  
  My husband, who didn't slow down the treadmill even though he should have been able to hear who was at the door, said, "Maybe I'll go back to a Thursday meeting when my schedule changes" (he's going to be working doubles on Sundays). He knows I won't be going with him. He knows exactly how I feel about the whole thing. I guess if he goes back, I will have to write a letter to avoid a meeting with the elders. But I think he's just baiting me, otherwise he would have come to the door.
  
  Anyway, thanks Blondie, for reminding me every week just WHY I don't ever want to go back to another mind-numbing Sunday morning meeting...
  
  NanaR
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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Its funny, in the two illustrations given by Jesus, firstly you have to keep asking because your friend (God) doesnt want to help, and then in the next he's only to happy to give you what you want even in abundance of what you ask.

  And yet no where do we see any proof that anyone is recieving the spirit, they give an example of enduring some trial, but these are the same trials being endured by every non JW too! So are they getting the spirit or not???? To me its a way of showing your dependance on something not tangable and it makes you feel you cant cope without it, including the organisation that tells you you need it so badly to survive. My ex claims to have had the help of Holy Spirit, and yet when I asked how she knew and what did it do, all she could say was she got through some difficult times, I pointed out that I have too come through such times and without claiming to have had the spirit.

  CS 101
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  heathen

  My ex claims to have had the help of Holy Spirit, and yet when I asked how she knew and what did it do, all she could say was she got through some difficult times,

  I think when a witness says it, they are really talking about having doubts in the organization. Wish I knew more what she was talking about myself . They believe that the harder you try to be a witness the harder the devil tries to distract you or cause you grief. Actually can't remember any GC claim any sort of holy spirit while I was a study. They seemed more ready to deemonize than anything.
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  compound complex

  Blondie----Please tell us more: How does [will] your garden grow?

  CoCo
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  compound complex

  CREEPING BROOM
  Genista pilosa 'Vancouver Gold'

  Creeping broom is a low-growing plant with bright yellow blooms from midspring to early summer. It makes an excellent ground cover in sunny spots...rarely reaches more than one foot in height, it can spread up to 7 feet...This plant does perfectly well in poor, even sandy, soil and hot, dry conditions. It requires full sun...it isn't bothered by salt spray and sandy conditions. [ibid., p. 451]