by onacruse 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
"Reading and learning are things that anyone can do of his own free will; but not so thinking. Thinking must be kindled...it must be sustained by some interest in the matter at hand. This interest may be of a purely objective kind, or merely subjective..."
So, as a possible starting point: Are you a subjective thinker, or an objective thinker?
Be warned--
Your answer may betray you!!...as it did me.
Craig
subjective of course.
i also *think* that thinking is an addiction.
lol.
tetra
I'm a subjective thinker who tries to be as objective as humanly possible. I know with all the concepts we learn from birth it is not possible unless you can somehow deprogram them out, you can get rid of many but never all of them it seems so that the brain can function free of memes.
I only think that I am thinking!
--VM44
Hmmm, a quandary. Do I say I'm objective, proving that I'm subjective, or say I'm subjective SUGGESTING that I may be objective. LOL!
OK then, to continue with the lines of thought that y'all have hinted (emphases add):
It is incredible what a different effect is produced upon the mind by thinking for oneself, as compared with reading. It carries on and intensifies the original difference in the nature of two minds which leads one to think and the other to read. What I mean is that reading forces alien thoughts upon the mind--thoughts which are as foreign to the drift and temper in which it may be at the moment...The mind is thus entirely under compulsion from without; it is driven to think this or that, though for the moment it may not have the slightest impulse or inclination to do so.
Several thoughts come to my mind with this (even as I read it, and have these thoughts imposed upon me unwillingly!! LOL )
One: I spent all my life as a youth and teenager reading reading reading and never being able to keep up with the reading...and it was alllllllll WTS stuff.
Two: Even when I began to fade from the WTS, I was still into reading reading reading.
Consequence: On an old JWD thread one poster suggested that I was more of a 'collector of information,' (rough paraphrase), than a 'thinker.' I can't argue with that evaluation.
So, while I have, for most of my life, prided myself as being an "objective" thinker, I've actually been much more of a "subjective" reader.
Most people don't want to swim before they're able to - "Isn't that funny? Of course they don't want to swim! They were born for the ground, not for the water. And of course they don't want to think; they were made for living, not for thinking! And yes, the one who thinks, who makes thinking his main concern, can amount to much by that, but he has confused the ground and the water, and one day he will drown."
Hermann Hesse, Steppenwolf.
Living in two different contries as a kid and getting in school 1/3 in belgium in Dutch of nederland (where actually they wouldn't really teach me anything : the sisters cause it was sisters was allowing me to play with the tortles = no real school for me - understand : a black don't need school) 2/3 in france (when the school had already began for 4 months - and kids groups was already done, also being Black in all that around 70's to 80's didn't help to be happy in school) Well the tortles was ok
loneliness was already my friends ... and my scores at school was very close to ZERO at that age - I myself don't really know from what I've learned to be honest ... as to know if I'm an Objectif or an Subjective thinker? now that's also a question I can't really answer too ... the only thing that I know and realised is that it was easier to take everything conceptually first : I guess it's somhowe objective but it works also on the subjective sides but in a more pragmatic way.
I'm not a reader, I don't event think I'm a thinker, I'm a listener (what people think versus what I think - and from that I make my mind and any new hint (from outside = others or inside = me eddited to add and what I see) that I haven't considered in the whole matter is a reason to put the whole subject back on the table when I feel like to get into it ... cause I need to be interested by the subject itself otherwise I'm getting lazy.
Subjective
Everything is relative to the observer.
Perhaps to move from subjective to objective is growth.
Perhaps the only "pure" observer is god/chaos.
Just an objectivist opinion,....
:-)
