Sextuplet parents lose appeal
Globe and Mail, Canada - 6 minutes ago
The parents, who are devoutJehovah's Witnesses, turned to the BC Court of Appeal after the Supreme Court ruled that doctors from BC Women's Hospital ...
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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
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DannyHaszard
This is major on the news wires and still coming up
Former Jehovah's Witness petitions for medical intervention ...
Canada.com, Canada - 9 minutes ago
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canada.com, Canada - 15 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
680 News, Canada - 15 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
News1130, Canada - 15 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Westmount Examiner, Canada - 17 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canoe.ca, Canada - 17 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Brandon Sun, Canada - 18 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canada East, Canada - 18 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
The Chronicle West End Edition, Canada - 19 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
West Island Chronicle, Canada - 21 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canada.com, Canada - 9 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnessesare not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Saturday » June 2 » 2007 Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a factor
Saturday, June 02, 2007Sidhartha Banerjee Canadian Press
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5,000 names on a petition which calls for doctors to be allowed to intervene medically regardless of the patient's religious beliefs. Jonathan Lavoie says his brother died needlessly after refusing blood transfusions while being treated for an intestinal tumour. Jean-Claude Lavoie, 26, a devout Witness, died last December. Jonathan Lavoie, 32, says adults should be subject to the same rigorous judicial test that children go through before they can turn down a medical procedure based solely on religious beliefs. "What I'd like to see is the laws changed so that doctors, when a person refuses a procedure for religious reasons -any religion -can still operate," says Lavoie, who hasn't decided when he'll give his petition to Quebec and federal politicians. Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ingestion of blood. There have been a number of high-profile cases where the courts have stepped in and ordered blood transfusions for Jehovah's Witnesses children. But adults may refuse transfusions for themselves, provided they are competent and the decision is free and informed. Last month, Quebec Superior Court Justice Jean Bouchard ordered twin babies be given blood transfusions despite the objections of their Jehovah's Witness parents. Lavoie says adults should be held to the same standards. Across Canada, there have been several documented cases involving the rights of children, who are Jehovah's Witnesses, to decline transfusions. In British Columbia, debate brewed over the fate of sextuplets in January when four were seized by the government and administered transfusions against their parents' wishes. In Manitoba, a Winnipeg teenager lost her bid to avoid a transfusion when her appeal was denied in February. And Calgary's Lawrence Hughes is taking his fight against lawyers for the The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada to an appeals court in Alberta over the death of his 17-year-old daughter Bethany. Hughes alleges lawyers counselled his daughter to refuse transfusions necessary to treat her for leukemia. Bethany eventually received transfusions, but died in 2002. "There is a very strong presumption in favour of life that dominates these decisions when the child cannot decide for itself, or even when it can as a teenager," says Margaret Somerville, a medical ethicist and professor at McGill University. "The constitutional rights for refusing treatment are much more limited when a person is deciding for another person, especially a child who has never expressed any wishes for or against treatment, than when deciding for oneself as a competent adult on whatever basis including religious beliefs," Somerville said. "The latter right is almost absolute. The former is not." Constitutional rights lawyer Julius Grey calls the situation unfortunate. "This is a conflict that is a fundamentally tragic one," said Grey, who said he's prepared to recognize the difficult position of parents, but not at the expense of a child's right to live. "There are two ways of looking at the world and the two clash and neither side can yield." In 1995, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled the Children's Aid Society of Toronto could briefly take custody of a premature baby who required a blood transfusion. Even though the court agreed it had infringed the parents' right to decide, there was no provision for a parent to deny medical treatment judged necessary by a medical professional where no alternative exists. "These decisions are complex and must be made on a case-by-case basis," Somerville said. "To do otherwise would be unethical." Jehovah's Witness doctors have testified of bloodless medicine alternatives, but their effectiveness has been questioned. Lavoie's estranged father Jocelyn has said it was important to respect Jean-Claude's decision and that alternative therapy didn't work in his son's case. But Jonathan Lavoie isn't buying it. "I don't find it normal that in 2007, people still die in the name of their religion," he said. "Eventually, it was the infections that killed my brother, but the infections were because he had no white blood cells to battle the infections." © The Canadian Press 2007 -
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Hey Danny,
I'm still wondering if JWs, when confronted with Freddy's and Clay's agenda re: the real reason for the ban on blood, would be shocked. Could the true reason for banning blood transfusions be spun into something even half-way acceptable to the WT fold?
Please see Onthewayout's thread: "Why am I still surprised at these?"
www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/131955/1.ashx
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DannyHaszard
Is this an arrogant exhibition to keep picking fights with the government? JW parents (via Watchtower lawyer) now want to 'Grill' the social workers they just lost their case to cross examine the doctors. Parents of sextuplets have tough questions for social workers
Edmonton Journal (subscription), Canada - 9 minutes ago
... relied on for apprehending four of the premature sextuplets for the transfusions, which their Jehovah's Witness parents opposed on religious grounds. ...Parents of sextuplets have tough questions for social workers
The Edmonton Journal
Published: Sunday, June 03, 2007 VANCOUVER - A B.C. Appeal Court judge has denied leave for lawyers representing the parents of sextuplets seized for blood transfusions to ask for the right to cross-examine social workers and expert doctors. "None of the social workers have been cross-examined and two of the doctors have never been cross-examined," said John Burns, lawyer for the parents, who cannot be named. "If there had been a fair hearing, they would have been cross-examined." Burns said the next step is to petition a panel of three appeal judges. A B.C. Supreme Court earlier had denied the lawyer the right to ask social workers and doctors about the authority they relied on for apprehending four of the premature sextuplets for the transfusions, which their Jehovah's Witness parents opposed on religious grounds. Two of the babies died soon after birth, on Jan. 7. Two of the babies were removed from the parents' care without a court hearing and two were apprehended after an ex-parte, or one-sided, court hearing over the phone. The parents were given only 20 minutes' notice of the hearing in one case. Their lawyers maintain there was no medical emergency that would justify the apprehensions. The parents have applied for a judicial review of the removal orders. That case will be heard this summer. -------------------------------Parents of seized sextuplets can't question MDs
Vancouver Province (subscription), Canada - 22 minutes ago
The parents, both Jehovah's Witnesses, oppose the procedure on religious grounds. Two of the babies died soon after birth, on Jan. 7. ...[email protected] reporter BELOW LATEST BLOOD NEWS ON THE WIRE as of 10 mins ago ------- http://www.topix.net/forum/who/jehovahs-witnesses MANY BLOOD POST HERE PLEASE BOOKMARK AND CONTRIBUTE OFTEN Former Jehovah's Witness wants mandatory care
Edmonton Journal (subscription), Canada - 9 minutes ago
Jehovah's Witnesses do not usually accept transfusions because it clashes with their interpretation of certain passages of the Bible forbidding the ...Ex-Witness who lost brother slams law
Canoe.ca, Canada - 1 hour ago
MONTREAL -- A former Jehovah's Witness whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for doctors ...Ex-Jehovah's Witness urges compulsory treatment
CTV.ca, Canada - 8 hours ago
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Montreal Gazette, Canada - 16 hours ago
A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for doctors to be ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
CJAD, Canada - 17 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Former Jehovah's Witness petitions for medical intervention ...
Canada.com, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL — A former Jehovah’s Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for doctors ...Brother of deceased Jehovah’s Witness says religion shouldn’t be a ...
The Chronicle Journal, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah’s Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canada.com, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
680 News, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
News1130, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Westmount Examiner, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canoe.ca, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Brandon Sun, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
Canada East, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
The Chronicle West End Edition, Canada - 18 hours ago
MONTREAL (CP) - A former Jehovah's Witness, whose brother died after refusing blood transfusions, has collected 5000 names on a petition which calls for ...Brother of deceased Jehovah's Witness says religion shouldn't be a ...
West Island Chronicle, Canada - 18 hours ago
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DannyHaszard
Jehovah's Witness parents of sextuplets suffer another legal loss .
VANCOUVER/CKNW - Another legal loss for the Jehovah’s Witness parents of sextuplets born in Vancouver earlier this year. The couple is taking the BC government to court over a decision to seize the children in order to perform blood transfusions, something doctors felt medically necessary, but forbidden by the family's religion. The BC Court of Appeal has upheld an earlier decision, in which the court ruled lawyers for the parents could not cross examine doctors on affidavits explaining why they felt the transfusions were required. When it goes to trial, the parents' lawyers will argue doctors ignored alternate treatments which would have negated the need for the babies to receive blood.
CKNW, Canada - 34 minutes ago
VANCOUVER/CKNW - Another legal loss for the Jehovah’s Witness parents of sextuplets born in Vancouver earlier this year. The couple is taking the BC ... Jehovah's Witness parents of sextuplets suffer another legal loss. Jun, 19 2007 - 2:30 PM -
Mysterious
I find it interesting they are arguing that alternative treatments that woudl have negated a transfusion were not used rather than their position that a transfusion should not have been performed even as a last resort irregardless of if those alternative treatments had failed.
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skeeter1
The sextuplet parents had plenty of time to prepare. They could have notified the Hospital Liasion elder, and had this all worked out in advance. The HL did not know, as the first news reports show that the elders did not even know who these parents were. They could have spoken with these Canadian doctors in advance. After all, they knew they were pregnant for over 25 weeks. The doctors would have known the risks of preterm labor, risks of blood transfusions, etc.
If these Canadian doctors were not amiable, then they could have asked the Watchtower Society for help in locating doctors who were more agreeable. After all, aren't there some "friendly" doctors in the US willing to put their credibility on the line of these 6 little ones lives? But of course, we all know that the WTS would not have given the sextuplet parents $$$ to help pay for the "friendly" US doctors. Perhaps, Bethel would have given the parents a loan (not!).
We all know that the vast majority of doctors in the US would also have laughed at the "bloodless" alternatives. Who knows, maybe the WTS would have pushed for cyanide...as they did with Bethany Hughes....to a fatal end. Bethel deludes itself by finding a few "extreme" doctors who will go along with its "no blood" theory. Some of these doctors have huge investments in upcoming blood alternatives. Those doctors who do not agree, well, the WTS just misquotes them to make these doctors out for their cause.
In the end, if you don't agree with these doctors' decisions....you should have had them in a different hospital & under interested doctors who want to prove their company's blood alternatives work. Then, your sextuplets would be true "rats" (not rug rats...but laboratory rats).
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DannyHaszard
Jehovah's Witnesses member dies after refusing blood transfusion Japan Today - Jun 19 3:02 PM OSAKA — A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect died recently after losing a lot of blood when giving birth by cesarean and refusing a blood transfusion, officials at Osaka Medical College revealed Tuesday.
NATIONAL Jehovah's Witnesses member dies after refusing blood transfusion
Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 07:01 EDT OSAKA — A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect died recently after losing a lot of blood when giving birth by cesarean and refusing a blood transfusion, officials at Osaka Medical College revealed Tuesday. The hospital said it had agreed with the woman before the surgery that it would not transfuse any blood to her. Although she bled copiously after delivering her child in May, doctors at the hospital only took steps to arrest the hemorrhage. She died several days later, according to the hospital. A hospital official said, "We briefed her about the danger involving the surgery and we repeatedly urged her family to accept a blood transfusion. But in the end we respected the patient's wishes."
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Jehovah's Witness shuns blood, dies
The Japan Times, Japan - 27 minutes ago
OSAKA (Kyodo) A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses died last month after giving birth by Caesarean section and refusing a blood transfusion, officials at ... ......We briefed her about the danger (before the surgery) and we repeatedly urged her family to accept a blood transfusion. But in the end we respected the patient's wishes," a hospital official said Tuesday. Jehovah's Witnesses' officials said the hospital acted appropriately in treating the woman in accordance with her wishes. Members of the denomination refuse blood transfusions as being against the Bible, citing the section in Leviticus that reads: "Whatsoever man . . . eats any manner of blood, I will cut him off from among his people -
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Japan's Watchtower cult crackdown 'Under 15s must be given transfusions despite beliefs'
The Daily Yomiuri, Japan - 9 minutes ago
The joint committee started discussing the refusal of blood transfusions by Jehovah's Witnesses in response to requests from doctors who have said they are ...
Jehovah's Witness shuns blood, diesThe Japan Times
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The Daily Yomiuri, Japan - 8 minutes ago
The joint committee started discussing the refusal of blood transfusions by Jehovah's Witnesses in response to requests from doctors who have said they are'Under 15s must be given transfusions despite beliefs'
The Yomiuri Shimbun A committee comprised of the country's five medical societies has compiled a draft guideline that stipulates doctors should perform a blood transfusion during surgery on patients under 15 years of age even if their parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and refuse it because of a Biblical injunction, it was learned Saturday. The joint committee started discussing the refusal of blood transfusions by Jehovah's Witnesses in response to requests from doctors who have said they are troubled about prioritizing either religious freedom or respect for life. The committee judged that refusing a blood donation for children under 15 who are considered to be immature in terms of their self-determination capabilities constitutes an abuse of parental rights. The joint committee is comprised of the country's major medical societies--the Japan Society of Transfusion Medicine and Cell Therapy, Japan Surgical Society, Japan Pediatric Society, Japanese Society of Anesthesiologists and Japan Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology. The committee said it would finalize the common guideline agreed by the five societies this year after hearing opinions from followers of the religious group and bioethicists at a symposium to be held at Tokyo Medical and Dental University on Saturday. Medical institutions belonging to the five societies are expected to compile their own manuals in line with the guideline. To deal with the refusal of blood transfusions by Jehovah's Witnesses, a similar guideline compiled in 1998 by the Japan Society of Transfusion Medicine and Cell Therapy--then known as the Japan Society of Blood Transfusion--stipulates that doctors should respect a patient's wishes if he or she is 18 or older. If a patient is aged under 12, however, it said doctors should prioritize saving lives, including performing a blood transfusion during surgery, even if the child's parents are against the transfusion. The guideline, however, presents no specific rule in those cases in which a patient is aged between 12 and 17, because the committee had considered that people in this age bracket are still in their formative years and thus their decision-making ability varies. The latest draft guideline sets 15 years of age--the age at which children finish mandatory education--as the age the committee considers children can independently make a decision about medical treatment. In the case of patients aged from 15 to 17, the draft guideline said that a blood transfusion should not be performed if both the patient and their parents reject it. The transfusion would be conducted if the patient in this age bracket requests it, but his or her parent refuses. The transfusion also will be given if the patient rejects it but his or her parents accept it. (Jun. 24, 2007)3 Jehovah's Witnesses member dies after refusing blood transfusion click for comments Japan Today - Jun 19 3:02 PM OSAKA — A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect died recently after losing a lot of blood when giving birth by cesarean and refusing a blood transfusion, officials at Osaka Medical College revealed Tuesday.
NATIONAL Jehovah's Witnesses member dies after refusing blood transfusion
Wednesday, June 20, 2007 at 07:01 EDT OSAKA — A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect died recently after losing a lot of blood when giving birth by cesarean and refusing a blood transfusion, officials at Osaka Medical College revealed Tuesday. The hospital said it had agreed with the woman before the surgery that it would not transfuse any blood to her. Although she bled copiously after delivering her child in May, doctors at the hospital only took steps to arrest the hemorrhage. She died several days later, according to the hospital. A hospital official said, "We briefed her about the danger involving the surgery and we repeatedly urged her family to accept a blood transfusion. But in the end we respected the patient's wishes."
