Anyone raised from the dead as a result of Jesus sacrifice yet?

gaiagirl

In conversation with a JW recently, I mentioned that I was a blood donor, and they replied that the BEST use of blood was Jesus sacrifice. My answer was that "I KNOW people whose lives have been saved because of my blood donations, do you know of even ONE person who has been raised from the grave because of Jesus sacrifice?" As you might imagine, the JW claimed that thousands of people were in heaven. "Prove it" I said. "If we assume that the account of Jesus is true, then when he was raised from the dead, his body disappeared. So these other people you claim have gone to heaven, are THEIR graves empty?" Of course, he couldn't name even one case of an unexpectedly empty grave, but insisted that people HAVE been raised to heaven. So, what other arguments would you offer to support either side of the question?

Narkissos

Matthew 27:50ff:

Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many. Now when the centurion and those with him, who were keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were terrified and said, "Truly this man was God's Son!"

Too bad the WT doesn't count that one as a resurrection...

Deputy Dog

1John 3:14

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

onacruse

narkissos:

Matthew 27:50ff:
Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many. Now when the centurion and those with him, who were keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were terrified and said, "Truly this man was God's Son!"
Too bad the WT doesn't count that one as a resurrection...

I'm sure you remember that classic movie "Night of the Living Dead." At least, I think that was the name of it...my brains were eaten by zombies 40 years ago.

moggy lover

In my opinion, the most blasphemous feature of the WTS teaching on the resurrection, is the artful way they have covered up their own involvment with the scripture at 2Tim 2:18.

At that verse, Paul makes reference to certain ones, who, having "departed from the truth" say that the resurrection has already occured. To deflect any reference to themselves, since they also say that the resurrection has already taken place, thus identifying the WTS with those "apostates" from True Christianity, [ In 1878? 1918? Who knows what jhoover reveals to these biblical misfits] the Inspired book, [Vol 1, pg 1164] says "Evidently these ones taught a spiritual resurrection" thus suggesting that the heretical nature of these beliefs was not in the time of the resurrection but in the nature of it. Possibly true.

But that is precisely what the WTS teaches!! Do they teach that a bodily resurrection occured in 1918? Of course not. The WTS teaching of an invisible, spiritual, disembodied resurrection reflects the influence of pseudo-pagan beliefs that they have either consciously or inadvertantly adopted for their own use, and which teaching was condemned by Paul

Like Paul says, the WTS has "deviated from the Truth" [NWT]

Like the True Christians of Paul's day, we confidently await the future resurrection

Cheers

avidbiblereader

The resurrection of the Christ has happened as many saw him and have been eyewitnesses including Paul, as far as others and when they will get resurrected.

To me as to when is not an important issue, I have always felt for a long time, when the Society keeps MRIing the scriptures to prove something that really isn't important, it keeps taking away from the vital issues and that is doing and living a life that brings praise to God the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ. Focus on loving God and neighbor and showing and putting into practice these things. Focus on what brings salvation to others and yourself and forget all these things that don't matter if we know or don't know when it happens. It will happen at it's God appointed time but don't lose sight of the important things. Make sure of what is important and keep testing the inspired utterances, keep testing whether you are in the faith.

abr

Narkissos

ml,

I think the "Paul" of 2 Timothy would also (and more directly) have issues with texts such as John 5:24; 11:24f; Colossians 2:12; 3:1ff; Ephesians 2:5f.

Satanus

I find the comments on this subject intersting, am waiting for the scottish church version.

S

Anyone raised from the dead as a result of Jesus sacrifice yet?

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