if it's the truth..

by BlackSwan of Memphis 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    I'm finding online people who tell me that they believe the JW's are the truth.

    Yet they are living a life which says the exact opposite. I'm not talking about people who are trying to fade. These are people who specifically say it's the truth. This is Jehovah's Organization blah blah blah.

    Yet they are effing around out side of the bonds of marriage, they are talking to me, they are doing all the things that JW's don't do, or aren't supposed to do and they are unapologetic about it, yet claim it's the truth.

    If it's the truth, then why are they living a life in direct contrast to what they say?

    I am trying so hard to refrain from asking for some sort of permission to excise these sorts of people from my life. Its something that my whole being just wants to do, because it is so saddening to find people around me who are living these sorts of lives yet are retaining everything I lost.

    <<<sigh>>>

    I don't hate or even really dislike the people. They are entitled to their own life. It is just so stinkin' annoying to watch all this go down around me.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Either cut them off, or bring your concerns directly to them. Make them uncomfortable about it, as they should be.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    It's the truth to them, but NO FUN. They will say they are weak in the truth, but
    not weak in faith of belief. They figure they will be destroyed at Armageddon or
    they have plenty of time to change as they mature.

    This goes hand-in-hand with my opinion that most JW's believe Armageddon is
    more than 20 years away. If it were closer, the doctrinal change of "This Generation"
    would have been unnecessary. There would still be a couple of old women around
    in 2027 (113 years after 1914) to be able to make the doctrine true. I know that's a
    stretch, but most JW's think there is plenty of time. They will stop having fornication
    and partying after they "settle down." They are no better than the rest of the world.

    I say there is no need to purge these people from your life unless they are too
    preachy, which I doubt. What's the difference if they are around?

  • lost_light06
    lost_light06

    My ex-wife is one of those people. She says one of the reasons we split up is because I no longer want to be in "the truth". Yet, as soon as we did split up she started living a "worldly" lifestyle..... hanging out with "worldy" people, celebrating holidays, etc, etc. I asked her if she had changed her mind about the witnesses and she say "no, I just don't want to live that lifestyle right now but I still believe it's the truth". It's infuriating on so many levels and I fear for my kids if she ever does decide to be a "good witness".

    Pisses me off.

    -LL06

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    I hear you on this one. I have been to secular boards and found a few XJW's that will say "Well I know its's the truth" or "I may not want to go back there, but Im sure not gonna degrade the religion" It annoys me to no end. Just because they escaped without being molested, or nearly dying from a lack of blood, seems to make it all right with them.

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Usually what this means is that people feel that the JWs are theologically correct. Since their idea of what makes a person clean before God is their 'core doctrines' above everything else, it is little wonder why they would turn their heads at moral council while still saying 'its the truth'.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Another thing I have noticed too is that some XJW's take it so very personal when you say something against the WT Society. I mean they get very offended, almost like a little child pouting.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    I am trying so hard to refrain from asking for some sort of permission to excise these sorts of people from my life. Its something that my whole being just wants to do, because it is so saddening to find people around me who are living these sorts of lives yet are retaining everything I lost.

    I too found this perplexing and for me I found solace in doing my own work to prove/disprove the validity of the Bible. I would recommend you start there. Once you've figured that out the rest is easy and you don't have to exercise the people from your life a you'll be more accepting of them just not their ideology everyone has a right to believe what they want and yes it's sad that they are lead to believe a lie, but you can let it go.

    Hope that helps.

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    Thanks for the thoughts!

    Either cut them off, or bring your concerns directly to them. Make them uncomfortable about it, as they should be.

    I did this with one person today. I put it out there, asked them why are they living a life that is in direct contrast to what they believe is the truth. This person is willing to die on the table due to the blood doctrine. So I finally just asked what's up.

    It's the truth to them, but NO FUN. They will say they are weak in the truth, but
    not weak in faith of belief. They figure they will be destroyed at Armageddon or
    they have plenty of time to change as they mature.

    Interesting view. That would apply to a couple of them that I know.

    They will stop having fornication
    and partying after they "settle down." They are no better than the rest of the world.

    Well, yeah, this makes sense, they are individuals aren't they?

    My ex-wife is one of those people. She says one of the reasons we split up is because I no longer want to be in "the truth". Yet, as soon as we did split up she started living a "worldly" lifestyle..... hanging out with "worldy" people, celebrating holidays, etc, etc. I asked her if she had changed her mind about the witnesses and she say "no, I just don't want to live that lifestyle right now but I still believe it's the truth". It's infuriating on so many levels and I fear for my kids if she ever does decide to be a "good witness".

    Yeah! It burns me! I think with me, the people in question are people in my area and know my family. It totally gets me. I get hunted down for missing meetings, wasn't fornicatin' or doing "bad" things. I just didn't believe that they had the truth. These people are doing whatever they please and are doing all the "bad" things yet still have more access to my family and old friends than I could hope for! I suppose this is why it hurts.

    I hear you on this one. I have been to secular boards and found a few XJW's that will say "Well I know its's the truth" or "I may not want to go back there, but Im sure not gonna degrade the religion" It annoys me to no end. Just because they escaped without being molested, or nearly dying from a lack of blood, seems to make it all right with them.

    I think this goes back to what OTWO said. Don't you?

    Another thing I have noticed too is that some XJW's take it so very personal when you say something against the WT Society. I mean they get very offended, almost like a little child pouting.

    See this might be another part of my issue. These people bitch about certain things, but if I bring up the evidence regarding the blood issue or child abuse or the dates, oh man, it's like I'm the evil apostate. (Which I guess I am so to speak, lol) It's aggravating, they come to me to complain about things, but damn if I say something that is substantial, they close up.

    Usually what this means is that people feel that the JWs are theologically correct. Since their idea of what makes a person clean before God is their 'core doctrines' above everything else, it is little wonder why they would turn their heads at moral council while still saying 'its the truth'.

    This is a really interseting thought and can be applied to so many different religious groups.

    I too found this perplexing and for me I found solace in doing my own work to prove/disprove the validity of the Bible. I would recommend you start there. Once you've figured that out the rest is easy and you don't have to exercise the people from your life a you'll be more accepting of them just not their ideology everyone has a right to believe what they want and yes it's sad that they are lead to believe a lie, but you can let it go.

    Funny you say that. I had posted in another thread how I'm reading the Catecism of the Catholic Church which is leading me back through the bible. I have a feeling this is going to be a long search, but it has helped in some ways, but it's confusing me more in others. That last point you make is one I take to heart. I really want to just be able to let it go and let people live their own lives without me taking it so personally. Because in the end, I realize that's the problem. I'm taking this personally, and I am pretty sure I understand why, as I have hinted at above. My family would not let things go. Yet, I know damn well, that there are things presently going on in the family that is flat out hypocritical. Yet, they sure as hell made sure I was made an example out of. Bikerchic, my sister flat out asked me Where do you stand? But to the others who live an "ungodly" life, they are allowed to roam free. So, yes, this is my personal bitchiness that I need to work through. I hope that you are right about prove/disproving the Bible. I guess it reminds me, again, what has been lost and part of me feels like these people are almost flaunting it in my face.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    I think xjws who talk like that have left the org but not the beliefs. They see the wts as having a correct interpretation of the scriptures, but just don't want to live in line with the principles.

    I feel a little sorry for them as, in a way, they are still trapped in the watchtower.

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