The Jehovah's Witness Cult Hires Illegal Immigrants

by lisavegas420 30 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  exwitless

  Guess what? Now that you know about it, you are an accomplice to a felony! Have a nice day!

  If you would actually read what I posted, you would see that

  We subcontracted office cleaning accounts from a long-standing elder in our former congregation.

  We SUBCONTRACTED. We were one of several companies or individuals this elder hired as subcontractors. We personally did the work that we subcontracted. No illegal immigrants ever worked under our contract. The elder in question, in addition to hiring us as subcontractors, also hired illegals for other cleaning work he wanted them to do. We had absolutely nothing to do with whomever else this man chose to hire as employees or subcontractors.

  You seem to delight in trying to pin blame, error, or consequences on me when I was just posting about how a particular elder is hypocritical. Your comments aren't taken as insightful or constructive, rather, you come across as arrogant and pompous. You don't have to be an a$$. Have a nice day.
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  JWdaughter

  Mad said:

  "The Bank of America is now setting up Checking Accounts for 'Illegal Aliens'- there is plenty of things to pick on us about; that is a cheesy one!

  As time goes by, more & more laws are being passed contradicting other laws, and also making it harder & harder to carry out!

  There are ENDLESS businesses owned by 'Christians' of different denominations that do the same thing; the government has ruined the business

  environment for small businesses! But that's another topic! Instead of zeroing in on faults, why not try virtues? Think we don't have any?

  What wonderful chuch do YOU go to? Or are you just someone keeping to yourself while criticizing those that try?"

  If it wasn't for the WT and Jehovah's Witnesses themselves constantly going on about how abiding and honest that they are-insofar as it doesn't contradict their interpretation of scripture-this type of thing is a big HMMM, to all who are paying attention to the congregation and the WT. That others do the same thing is not really a factor here. They are consistently placing themselves on a higher plane of conduct, as an example of lawfullness and honesty. To say that it is difficult to carry out this particular law is totally ridiculous, and you know it. Its a no-brainer for any employer and in this employer in question had already decided, obviously, that the law didn't apply to him or his employees.

  BTW, is it illegal to be a JW in Mexico?

  Is it neutral to make statements about how the gov't is ruining the business environment? That sounds kind of like a political cause to me. . .

  IMO, if the jehovah's witnesses continually set themselve apart from other religions, then when they do the wrong thing, they shouldn't bring up the standards of other, un-named and vaguely referenced religions. That is kind of disingenuous.

  Did you ever go to the Redondo/Des Moines cong.? Does anyone know you visit this board? I don't know of anyone who has ever actually been d/f'd for going on these boards and being found out. Is it possible for real do you think? Do you think that would be wrong or right, according to scripture to DF for sucha thing? I am not going to attack your opinion, I am just curious about what is actually happening in cong. in this regard. Thank you. Have a great weekend.
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  Mad

  Thanks for the explanation, Ex!

  I admire that! Sorry you ran into that! I call myself the Mad Witness (also the Mad Artist; my profession: www.madartist.50megs.com), because I don't go along with everything, and I find better ways to do things! I'm always shocking people...I don't TRY to!

  Mad
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  under_believer

  This is one of the best-kept secrets of US gringos that have "gone native" and went over to hispanic or spanish-language congregations. They get tons of cheap labor on their houses, their cars, etc...
  
  I have an old Witness friend who, several years ago, started going to Spanish congregations. Learned the language, the whole 9 yards. He and his wife get dirt-cheap nanny and housekeeping services from live-in hispanic illegal aliens who they pay coolie wages under the table. Their lawn is mowed and yard maintained by illegals, paid under the table. They need something done on their house, same story. He says that all the white people in their congregation carry on similar practices.
  
  I'm not making a comment on the political issue of illegal immigration here--only saying that certain Witnesses take advantage of the situation and that the practice is widespread among them.
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  wiegel

  About 25 years ago at a District Convention, a brother stopped me from getting on the escalator because I was wearing open-toed shoes. Said it was illegal for safety reasons. I just went home I was so mad. I guess I should have listened better to all the red flags I saw, but alas, here we all are now and that's a good thing.

  No sandals on the stairs, but by all means hire "illegals" if you can save some money.

  gag

  trudy
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  AllTimeJeff

  Although no one here has to take my word for it, I have much experience with illegal immigrants...

  Having said that, the tone (and alleged facts) of this thread over-sensationalized this matter. For a fact, elders are instructed that they are not under obligation to turn in illegal immigrants who are studying or are in the congregation. Such illegal's cannot be used in "exemplary" way in the congregation. That is certainly contradictory because of the way other more important issues are handled. But in all honesty, individuals in JW's who do this are no different then any other individuals in other religions, organizations, and political groups who do the exact same thing.

  This thread made it sound like it is the GB's policy to employ and use illegals... Come ON!!! Again, there are so many credible and more dangerous things that the GB does, this hardly hits the radar. This whole thread and it's "all or nothing" assumptions because someone knows a JW or two who does this is ridiculous.

  Lisavegas420, with all respect, this is just not credible or factual. I know Catholics, Luterans, Baptists, Agonstics and Athiests who have employed illegal aliens, and they are not representative of their respective group. They made their own decisions..... Just like these individual JW's...
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  exwitless

  This thread made it sound like it is the GB's policy to employ and use illegals...

  How? I don't see anything in her post that implied that the GB has a policy to employ illegals. In fact, she didn't even say the JWs were even elders. Therefore, maybe they weren't aware of this stated instruction to elders:

  For a fact, elders are instructed that they are not under obligation to turn in illegal immigrants who are studying or are in the congregation.

  But in all honesty, individuals in JW's who do this are no different then any other individuals in other religions, organizations, and political groups who do the exact same thing .

  Gee, sounds like what I just posted:

  There are ENDLESS businesses owned by 'Christians' of different denominations that do the same thing

  You're right, no argument there. I never said JW's were the ONLY ones who do this. I just resent the hypocrisy of many elders and "higher up's" in the org. JWs are constantly being told to "obey the laws" and "give a good witness" in everything they do, whether it's the way they dress, how they speak, what kind of music they listen to, etc. When a long standing elder knowingly employs illegal immigrants, that's hypocrisy at it's finest.

  This whole thread and it's "all or nothing" assumptions because someone knows a JW or two who does this is ridiculous.

  I think YOU are the one making an "all or nothing assumption". Nothing of the kind was implied. Lisavegas420's post was about ONE incident; my comments were about ONE elder. No one said all JWs or only JWs employ this tactic. JWDaughter stated this well:

  if the jehovah's witnesses continually set themselve apart from other religions, then when they do the wrong thing, they shouldn't bring up the standards of other, un-named and vaguely referenced religions.

  It's about one example (of many) of hypocrisy among JWs. People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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  AllTimeJeff

  Good points exwitless. My apolgies on this one and a mea culpa. The website link and even the name of this thread I personally have an issue with. If in substance I was wrong with my conclusion, I think the tone and some of the content can be construed as representing the entire cult. It could have been better clarified.

  As someone who DOES think that the cult is dangerous, I worry when I read things that appear over sensationalized. On balance, most JW and JW employers absolutely do not approve of illegal immigrants working.

  As an individual and an ex JW, I have to wonder what the humanitarian thing to do is when you are faced with knowing an illegal personally. Many have lived horrible lives. They aren't getting rich.... we all know the arguements. I just think the subject itself proves nothing one way or the other regarding JW's because most other groups, and esp religions, often take care of illegals! To me, it distracts from getting more relevant and important discussions about JW's out there, and that was my motivation. Sorry if I mis understood the tone of the original post.
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  exwitless

  No apology necessary. Just wanted you to know the topic of this thread was not intended as a generalization of all JWs. Thanks for clarifying your comments.
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  Elsewhere

  Wow... just imagine what would happen if a local news crew wired you up with one of those hidden camera eye glass things.