As Woody Allen so aptly put it:
"I would never want to join a club that would have me as a member!"
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Hypothetical situation: What would you do?
by winnie 21 Replies latest jw friends
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Paralipomenon
Since Jehovah judges heart conditions, apparently my complete and total disrespect for his earthly organization would have been deemed acceptable by him.
That would be a complete and total validation that the way I live my life is acceptable. -
knock knock
Uzzah; very funny! The jw's would probably leave a WT, dust off their feet and move on to the next cloud. Nothing would phase them. In fact, they would probably see it as new light and say that now their mission is to preach to heaven - they'd have another "generation" doctrine. :)
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OnTheWayOut
Lets just say that
I was wrong about being wrong before. I was right to be in the borg, but
you say "suppose they were right, but not totally because you aren't
destroyed at the end?" Bizarre. If I am wrong now about being wrong
before, then I should be dead at Armageddon, but if I am wrong, but not
destroyed, then I am right to get away from JW's because God is forgiving.
Either way, I am right to leave the JW religion, and enjoy life and be a good person.
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looking_glass
Lets just say that the jw teaching regarding armageddon, living forever were true.
Ok - let's say that.
And lets say that many on this forum who still attend meetings somehow survive. You don't agree with the teachings. You may not even like many others who survive.
Let's consider this concept - the concept that God is Love and that to our human frailty we cannot comprehend what that means and thus ALL people who are good in their hearts and souls survive (including non-jws). Now if I were a jw, I might be pissed that I lived a narrow minded, black and white, right or wrong type of life, and yet others that I condemned to death did not in fact die. Or how about maybe I survived long enough for God to say to me, "who are you to judge those whom I allowed to survive, like in the Israelites time, when I allowed others to make it thru even though they did not go thru all the hardships and plagues like God's people did and because of your hatred (as opposed to love) for ALL of mankind, I condemn you to death" ... you see jws speculate as to what will happen after the resurrection, so no one knows what God will ultimately do, now do they
Why would you want to live with the kind of people who continually judge others actions? Who are in no way flexible to the opinions of 'outsiders'? Why would you want to live a way of life that is rigid in rules and regulations, ones that you know are not right?
How can I throw stones at others and condemn them for judging, if I am judging them. Your argument is flawed because based on your theory, 1) their god Jehovah would know that there were ones who were only faking it and thus, they would not make it in 2) if their god Jehovah let the fakers in, would he certainly not let others in as well, those who are good and true (as much as imperfect humans can be) 3) that their perfect new world would be the same as the current imperfect world that they live in, with just fewer people, not much of a paradise if you ask me; and 4) if God is Love, would not this whole concept go up in flames the idea of killing people just cause they are not jws.
I do not agree w/ the jw concept. But for argument's sake, if they were right and I made it thru, I guess I would say ME BAD and move on, but truthfully I do not see anything they claim will happen in the future actually happening, so I am not worried.
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LtCmd.Lore
As Woody Allen so aptly put it:
"I would never want to join a club that would have me as a member!"
I thought that was Groucho Marx who said that...
A long time ago... like my 30th post or so, I gave my opinion:
I am becoming an atheist so the way I see it there are 4 main possibilities.
Option 1: They are wrong and I am an atheist. Result: I will live a normal life, meet nice friends who don't care about my religion, maybe have exiting adventures, watch the movies I like, spend Sundays Thursdays and Tuesdays doing something fun or usefull, have sex, play Final Fantasy, donate blood just for the heck of it, and then die, hopefully happy. That's it.
Option 2: They are right and I am an atheist. Result: Result: I will live a normal life, meet nice friends who don't care about my religion, maybe have exiting adventures, watch the movies I like, spend Sundays Thursdays and Tuesdays doing something fun or usefull, have sex, play Final Fantasy, donate blood just for the heck of it, and then die, hopefully happy. That's it. OR I will live a normal life for a while and then die in armageddon, if it happens to come in my lifetime. Which is very unlikly.
Option 3: They are right and I am a witness. Result: I will live a horrible life untill the end. Then I will live in paradise under the direction of a god who just killed my grandparents. I will live forever gardening and enjoying nature... No TV or video games. No cars, computers, meat, soda, varying ideas, or pretty much anything a modern human enjoys.
4: They are wrong and I am a witness. Result: I will live a horrible life, trying to convert unbelievers, every single day wondering when the end will come, getting old, or worse yet dying from an accident because I can't take blood. Laying in a hospital bed in misery thinking of myself in paradise, instead of my family who will probably have turned apostate years ago, and I will have shunned for years. Then I'll die and the ones who knew me won't even mourn my death because they mistakenly believe they'll see me again... Plus I was a boring human anyway.
So in conclusion... I am completely convinced they are wrong... But even if they're right I don't want any part of it.
I now add hypothetical option 5: I'm an atheist but I survive anyways because god is to dumb * to notice I'm just faking it. I will live in paradise under the direction of a god who just killed my grandparents. I will live forever gardening and enjoying nature... No TV or video games. No cars, computers, meat, soda, varying ideas, or pretty much anything a modern human enjoys. I'll eventualy decide that I hate this, and I don't even like the god I'm serving... at the end of the thousand years I'll join satan and the demons in the rebellion # and either die as a martyr, or succeed in turning the rest of the bored population against their deadbeat deity.
* If you want to know why I lack confidence in the biblical gods mental capabilities see this link: http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/screwup.html
# If you want to know why I would be so quick to turn against the biblical god see this link: http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.html
LtCmd.Lore
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AuldSoul
DannyBloem,
Would you drink kool-aid to get there? Is living with "nice people" enough for you? Even though they are only nice to you as long as you are dishonest with them?
Hmm.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul -
Tuesday
I thought they were right when I left. I chose to die rather than to live forever on the paradise earth. It just doesn't appeal to me, if I were trapped forever with them I'd probably become a hermit near some body of water somewhere.
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carla
Conversely what if other religions are right. JW's die wake up in the clouds looking at heaven.
Walking up to the Pearly Gates that are closed and loudly knock on the gates..
(unbeknownst to them Peter the keep of the gates is saying "ssshhhh it's the JW's .. let's pretend we aren't home."
JW hell?------hahahahahahahahaha, very good!
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exjdub
winnie,
This appears to be an extension of your previous thread where you had a problem with JW's who still attend meetings, but who post here. I think the question to ask, and it isn't hypothetical, is why you are so obsessed with the subject? I understand that you have a problem with JW's who post here without telling the entire JW world to "F" off, but why is that so important to you? I really am trying to understand why you feel so strongly about it.
The reason I am trying to understand is that your feelings are strong on the subject (or appear to be) and I see your tenacity toward the subject to have negative overtones that could well discourage active JW's from coming here. This place is a place where people are supposed to be able to come and exchange ideas, even if those ideas are the sharing of JW subjects, and to heal. It is an oasis. How are JW's supposed to learn the truth about the "Truth" if they have to question their stance every time they come here? I guess what I am trying to say is: What is your point to these questions, whether hypothetical or not?
exjdub