The Watchtower—Logically Wrong But Emotionally Right?

by The wanderer 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • The wanderer
    The wanderer

    The Watchtower—Logically Wrong But Emotionally Right?

    Months of battles between my best friend and I have fallen to the wayside
    and we can now calmly talk about the Watchtower Society without an ex-
    plosive confrontation.

    Defending the Watchtower

    Logically, he knows the Watchtower’s involvement with politics and dishonest
    practices. However, he still seeks to excuse, justify, and explain away the
    Society's actions because he feels that God’s spirit was with him while
    he was in the organization.

    How would you reason with a man that logically knows the Watchtower is
    deceptive but still emotionally “supports” it because of his experiences while
    in the organization?

    Respectfully,

    The Wanderer

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    well I am interested in the replies to that question because I am such a man

  • Stealth453
    Stealth453

    I wouldn't even try. They have such a powerful hold on their members, the change must come from him. IMO

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    "How would you reason with a man that logically knows the Watchtower is
    deceptive but still emotionally “supports” it because of his experiences while
    in the organization?"

    You seem to know the answer already. Reason will not shake him loose.

    In the presence of truth weak character yields to emotional attachments.

    Ask yourself," why do I place the facts above my emotions?" .

  • Alwayshere
    Alwayshere

    You can't reason with someone who loves the organazation more than the truth.

  • Handsome Dan
  • Confession
    Confession
    How would you reason with a man that logically knows the Watchtower is
    deceptive but still emotionally “supports” it because of his experiences while
    in the organization?

    Just how is he 'emotionally supporting' the WTS? Does he still attend meetings? Does he still go in service and place magazines? Does he still think it's "The Truth"?

    If a person has come to see that the WTS has been "deceptive," willfully controlling and manipulating multiple generations of families for a hundred years--and does not have some degree of indignation--I submit they do not see the picture clearly. I'd ask...

    "Do you know that if you decide you no longer recognize the WTS as the sole channel of communication from God--and admit as much to elders, without turning back--the organization will threaten all of your family members and friends not to speak to you, and will tell them you are a "wicked enemy of God," that they should "hate" you and not even pray for you?"

    Just working with his admission that they are "deceptive," you could always use the example the Society has always used: "If in a whole glass of water, you knew there was just one drop of poison, would you drink it?" In line with this, here's a quote from the September 8, 1987 Awake!, (pages 10, 11.) Here the Watchtower Society makes the following appeal to members of other churches under the subheading: "If Your Church Fails to Act, Will You?”

    “If, after making an honest investigation, you are less than pleased with what you see, do more than just complain. A journalist, while commenting on Karl Barth's statement that a church IS its members, logically concluded: 'Church members ... are responsible for what the church says and does.' So ask yourself: Am I willing to share responsibility for everything my church says and does? Can I really be proud of having all its members as spiritual brothers?”
  • thecarpenter
    thecarpenter

    You can't go by emotional fulfillment alone. There are many groups that can give you a sense of belonging, a sense of fulfillment, even extreme groups. Here is a video that you may want to show your friend. It is a video of some of the Heavens Gate cult before they killed themselves. Noticed how nice and happy they are and how sure they feel about their beliefs.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=o1V4vDMHVQc

    Although it is extreme, the point is they were totally indoctrinated and certain in their actions of what they were going to do was right.

    If a person has come to see that the WTS has been "deceptive," willfully controlling and manipulating multiple generations of families for a hundred years--and does not have some degree of indignation--I submit they do not see the picture clearly.

    Confession hit the nail on the head.

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    I had this discussion with a Mormon. He actually just ignored the facts and told me that to him it matters that when reading the Book of Mormon he FELT that it was the Truth. How can you argue about feelings? I think you simply cannot.

  • Confession
    Confession
    How can you argue about feelings? I think you simply cannot.

    Probably right. I guess all you can do is discuss the wisdom in trusting your feelings. If we were talking about the Bible, there's always, "The heart is treacherous; who can know it?" "Do not believe every inspired expression, but test it first..." Not knowing the Book of Mormon well, I wouldn't be sure what to use.

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