No, it's not at all amazing.
If we derive our identity and understanding of "reality" out of a book, it makes sense to affirm the pretty parts and ignore the icky ones.
j
Isn't it amazing ... how many Christians chose to ignore the OT...?
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greendawn
The Christian point of view is that the Christ by becoming the mediator reconciled man with God so that now men can perceive God in a different way. He can now be to them more of a Father than a Lord. Otherwise God didn't change.
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Lumptard
aniron:
The tones don't match, and it is possible that they are not speaking about the same god
"it is possible" so you are not sure.And??...you're just reiterating what I said...what are you trying to prove? That I meant what I said before? laughable...
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Satanus
I think christians have the right to dump the ot, even though quotes and some ideas from it made it into the nt. Other sources for the bible such as the egyptian, babylonian and zerostrian have been thoroughly dumped, ney, utterly rejected, and labelled w disgust as pagan. After all, the very word 'chrsitan' suggests a following/emulating/idolising/worshipping of jesus christ, as he is portrayed in parts of the nt.
S
Ps, btw, the nazis advocated the dropping of the ot - http://www.geocities.com/ganesha_gate/dietr.html
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Deputy Dog
The Old Testament, shows God above the Law He gave for mankind. The New Testament shows God in submission to that Law
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found-my-way
The Old Testament, shows God above the Law He gave for mankind. The New Testament shows God in submission to that Law
Interesting observation , Deputy Dog....
Just for argument's sake let's say God and Jesus are one and the same person. (not that I am sure whether I believe that or not)
The huge difference between the God of the OT and the NT is Jesus....
maybe when He came down to earth, and lived as a mere mortal man, he then new exactly how it felt to be HUMAN - with all the biological hormonal urges and emotions! (he did not get baptized as a teen, or even in his twenties as a young man, he was baptized at the maturer age of 30.) Maybe after experiencing his own childhood, how difficult puberty is and dealing with the normal hormone issues, Jesus is much more sympathetic(than the god of the OT) to the imperfections of humans, seeing as he had to deal with his own human urges, but as a perfect man, was of course able to use self control perfectly, and not sin.
Just a random thought I had.....
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Deputy Dog
f-m-w
Just for argument's sake let's say God and Jesus are one and the same person.
I don't believe that the Father and the Son are the same person, but, the same God (topic for another day)
maybe when He came down to earth, and lived as a mere mortal man, he then new exactly how it felt to be HUMAN - with all the biological hormonal urges and emotions! (he did not get baptized as a teen, or even in his twenties as a young man, he was baptized at the maturer age of 30.) Maybe after experiencing his own childhood, how difficult puberty is and dealing with the normal hormone issues, Jesus is much more sympathetic(than the god of the OT) to the imperfections of humans, seeing as he had to deal with his own human urges, but as a perfect man, was of course able to use self control perfectly, and not sin.
Would it surprise you to know this is taught in the Old and New Testament?
Isa 53:10
Yet, it was the LORD'S will to crush him with suffering. When the LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings, he will see his descendants for many days. The will of the LORD will succeed through him. 11 He will see and be satisfied because of his suffering. My righteous servant will acquit many people because of what he has learned through suffering. He will carry their sins as a burden.Heb 5:7
For Jesus, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong cryings and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared, 8 though being a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. -
Madame Quixote
JT - This is so true; thanks for the short and splendid response: "If we derive our identity and understanding of "reality" out of a book, it makes sense to affirm the pretty parts and ignore the icky ones. JT"
it is so easy to see only one side of the story, either good or rotten! Black or white - so JWish.
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tetrapod.sapien
gods evolve along side their creators: humans. as humanity came to appreciate the spiritual concepts of compassion, kindness, love, peace etc., the gods came to appreciate them too.
tetra
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Doug Mason
Should Christians dump the OT?
(a) Christians must look at the OT through the eyes of the NT.
(b) The descriptions of God in the OT and NT reflect the views and understandings of the person at the time. The Scriptures were not penned by God but by men of different backgrounds, cultures and times. Their views do not show a change in God but a change in people’s conceptions about God. Conceptions of men in the Stone Age cannot be likened to those living when Rome ruled the world. The Bible is not a flat board and its documents reflect a range of times.
(c) Jesus showed the demarcation point – it concerned John the Baptist. Before John’s message, “Law” reigned. But from John’s time, God’s kingship, his authority to rule, known as the “Kingdom of God/Heaven” by the synoptic gospel writers and as “Eternal Life” by the apostle John, came to the fore.
(d) Through his life and his teachings, Jesus demonstrated God. Jesus displayed God in a way not fully comprehended by the OT writers. This personal demonstration by Jesus changed people’s understanding of God.
(e) During his sermon about the Kingdom, Jesus explicitly said that this teaching did not do away with the OT (“law and the prophets”): “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them.” (Matt 5:17 NIV)
(f) The apostle Paul wrote that the free gift of salvation (which God provides on the basis of faith) did not remove the OT (“the law”): “Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.” (Rom 3:31, NIV). To prove his point, Paul cites from “the law”, firstly in regards to Abraham (What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Rom 4:3, NIV) and secondly regarding David: (“David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works.” Rom 4:6, NIV)
Doug