The original sin (page 5)

Zico

'The Bible says that God did not catch them in the act, it wasn't until later on after the act, when God confronted them about it.'

Agapa,

How could God not catch them in the act? Can't he see everything?

agapa37

From my understanding, yes He has the ABILITY to see everything. Ability being the key word.

acadian

It's all too confusing to me! My understanding on the story of Adam & Eve is that it's a metaphor for something completely different than what is commonly believed.

I look at the story and compare it with the story of the prodigal son. My understanding from the two stories is that man had a different nature than we do now, and that man gave up that condition/nature/spiritual being to become carnal, flesh and blood.

And like the prodigal son, we need to journey back home to our true nature, our spiritual being. Not mere flesh and blood.

I see a alienation of man's true being his true nature, thus the phase "in that day you will die" by putting on the physical being and leaving the spiritual being they then became subject to all the effects of the physical, rather than the spiritual. They alienated themselves from their true nature. (Life eternal)

I don't see the O.S. as something they ate, but an act of leaving their original standing and true nature with God and gaining knowledge they were not ready/mature enough to have. And even to this day I would still say man's not ready for much of the knowledge he does have, considering how man uses his knowledge today.

Before applying knowledge one should have the wisdom on the proper execution of that knowledge
In most cases man does not.

Our lack of maturity and wisdom concerning the application of knowledge is well documented, just look at the earth and how polluted it is. And the suffering caused by man and his use of technology. (smart bombs etc.)

Yes, we have gained much knowledge, too bad wisdom didn't come with it...

Acadian

What you are looking for, you have already found, and it's you!

"Become the change you want to see" Gandi

Q. Bert

Our creator is the God of truth. If we can't believe the Bible, what else is there that we can go on? My belief in God's Word allows me to keep my bearings and make a more sensible life for myself. The more I believe it's true, the better my life gets. To me, it's about sanity.

— I am Q. Bert, after all.

Q. Bert

Your manners are most welcome.

— I am Q. Bert, after all.

Q. Bert

Sex, theories, and philosophies aren't in the Genesis 3 account.

Why do humans grow old and die, since it was not God's purpose. Genetic malfunction due Adam and Eve both eating the forbidden fruit. Simple. Even today, AIDS can be transmitted to the unborn fetus for nothing it did wrong.

The Original Sin was disobedience.

"Satan" means opposer. The Original Serpent, a.k.a. Satan, certainly did oppose his Creator and has attempted to lead all humankind ever since. Fortunately, some humans have been repentant, and faithful to the Creator's instructions.

Men's leadership still stinks, and women are still blamed. Man's culpability is real, whether he admits to it or tries to shift the blame. God's not so dumb. His surveillance system works better than ours do.

— I am Q. Bert, after all.

onacruse

Qbert:

My belief in God's Word allows me to keep my bearings and make a more sensible life for myself. The more I believe it's true, the better my life gets. To me, it's about sanity.

If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes (or, gives, depending on the point of view).

Now, this is a question I ask in all honesty, and without any intent to offend: Are you implying that you are simply using the Biblical framework as a way to structure your life...and that, in and of itself, the Bible has no divinely unique and otherwise irreplaceable meaning?

agapa37:

From my understanding, yes He has the ABILITY to see everything. Ability being the key word.

Thank you for responding to this thread, and thank you for apparently taking my apology to you.

However, if God IS omniscient, then God IS omniscient...the idea of "selective" omniscience is non-sequitor. And that begs the question, which has been tossed around for millennia: Then the "original sin" was foreknown by God, and planned by God, and the resolution thereof was fully known to God.

undercover

Our creator is the God of truth. If we can't believe the Bible, what else is there that we can go on?

If I might ask...

In the Bible, who told the first lie?

Q. Bert

The simple truth is confusing to many. The Genesis 3 account is not a metaphor. It is like surveillance tape, police interrogation and witness testimony, and judicial rulings handed down: all in one chapter. Distortions like it being an apple [it was, in fact, a piece of forbidden fruit, from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad, if we want the full, correct legal description in common, modern English] are like the other distortions commonly told: the Easter bunny, the Santa Claus with Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. Facts are usually the least of the story-tellers concerns. The actual Bible doesn't support those distortions. The Genesis 3 account parallels the first half of the illustration of the prodigal son. The final outcomes demonstrate the contrast between recognizing the rules we should play by and mocking them by our actions. Playing on God's side does lead to living forever. Playing against God's side means bad consequences, whether temporary (as in the case of the prodigal son) or permanent/fatal (as appears to be the case with Adam and Eve). The thought of disobedience led quickly to the act of disobedience. The longing or desire for what was forbidden led to the eating of the forbidden fruit. James 1:12-15 could be used to describe the events in Genesis chapters 2 & 3. Using James 1:15 leads me to label the eating of the forbidden fruit [which was what carried the consequences of death] as the sin.

Wisdom acts so as to have good consequences. Careful thought and guidance is required for that. We aren't equipped to handle things on our own. We must line our thoughts and actions with those the Creator supports to have real success.

— I am Q. Bert, after all.

Q. Bert

"You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman. — TNIV, Gen.3:4.

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