Natural remedies

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  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Over the last year, I've been exploring the use of herbs and supplements...hey, I'm gettin' old, and I need all the help I can get! LOL

    So, here's what I've tried (in addition to general vitamin supplements like B, C, and some other selected minerals):

    Alpha-lipoic acid, Cinnamon, Ginseng, Gotu kola, and Uva ursi: Metabolism boosters/diuretics, to help me lose a bit of weight (my BMI is about 27)

    Dandelion, L-methionine and Milk Thistle: Liver cleansers

    Garlic: Blood cholesterol (last check was 140, with an HDL of 55)

    Ginko: My brain

    Grape seed, Quercetin, Q-10: General antioxidants

    Melatonin, St. John's Wort and 5-HTP: Seratonin support

    Saw palmetto and Selenium: Prostate support

    Now, don't be saying that I just need to go out and get myself one of those "scooters"! LOLOL

    However, I'd be interested in any comments y'all might have about the "supplement" approach to healthier living.

    Craig

    ps: Puritan's Prideloves me!

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    I am assuming you have a good book on herbal supplements. If not, Get One.

    A few years back, I did the herbal supplement thang.

    I ran into two problems:

    a) One of the herbal supplements I purchased to balance out hormones, I didn't research enough and come to find out they were intended for menopausal women. That does not fit my need and I found out I should have been taking a different one.

    b) The enormous abundance of vitamins and herbal supplements ended up messing up my body. I think, though, it was becuase rather then easing into it, I jumped into it.

    SO research it, if you haven't already, and if there is any way you can afford it, head out to a holisitic dr. One or two visits, might save you money and complications.

  • talley
    talley

    I am a devotee of this particular web site http://dogtorj.tripod.com/index.html

    His personal medical experience, professional experience as a licensed practicing veterinarian, and vast research have all shown that our immune systems are being compromised by gluten, casein, and soy in our everyday modern/manufactured diets so that the good things (like vitamins, minerals, enzymes/whatever), in our diets cannot get through the sticky coatings covering the villi of the duodenum.

    I have found the advice on that site very helpful to myself. By following the 'guide lines' of his theory I no longer need Tums daily and a Pepcid before bed.
    My nocturnal acid reflux has completely disappeared! My energy is up, my 'cravings' down, weight is easier to lose and much easier to keep off and I can tell that I am no longer wasting my multivitamin by the lack of color of my urine in the mid-morning. And my 1400mg. of glucosamine/chondroiten per day + cod liver oil is still keeping me sound and symptom free and away from the orthopedic surgeon who wants to do a total replacement of my right hip.

    So before you put all that money into exotic supplements I would kindly suggest you read at least the first two pages of his site - yeah, it's lots of reading, but well worth it. Then all those goodies you want to take will have the best chance of getting into your system and really doing you some actual good.

    Judy

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    LOL @ talley:

    His personal medical experience, professional experience as a licensed practicing veterinarian,

    somehow it makes sense to me and I'll for sure check out that website. I just thought it funny him being a Veterinarian but after all if it works it works!

    This sounds interesting!

    I have found the advice on that site very helpful to myself. By following the 'guide lines' of his theory I no longer need Tums daily and a Pepcid before bed.
    My nocturnal acid reflux has completely disappeared! My energy is up, my 'cravings' down, weight is easier to lose and much easier to keep off and I can tell that I am no longer wasting my multivitamin by the lack of color of my urine in the mid-morning. And my 1400mg. of glucosamine/chondroiten per day + cod liver oil is still keeping me sound and symptom free and away from the orthopedic surgeon who wants to do a total replacement of my right hip.

    Thanks for the website talley!

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    BlackSwan, that wouldn't have been Cohosh, would it? I ask because one of the first I tried was Black cohosh: listed as good for lowering blood pressure and cholesterol. Side effect: It gave me boobs! LOL (just kidding )

    I've read a number of books about this, but the one I keep referencing back to is Prescription for Nutritional Healing (Balch). Also, The Schwarzbein Principle. At the very least, I've learned a whole lot about how the human body works: a complex and yet somewhat straightforward biological "machine." Of course, as a JW expecting the end soon, this is something about my body that I never used to give a whit of thought (not to change the subject).

    Oddly enough, my primary care physician is an osteopath, and I've known him to be rather more open-minded about 'alternative' approaches...though when my last blood tests came back, with what he himself acknowledge as "remarkable" improvements, he was still reluctant to acknowledge that it had anything to do with potentially beneficial effects of herbs and supplements.

    And I think you're right about the "balance," though I must admit I get a little bit of a thrill when I have a "naicin flush."

  • PEC
    PEC

    Quackwatch Home Page

    The Herbal Minefield

    Stephen Barrett, M.D.

    Americans are now spending billions of dollars per year for capsules, tablets, bulk herbs, and herbal teas. Although many of these items are consumed for their flavor, most are probably used for supposed medicinal qualities. Sales by multilevel distributors and pharmacies amount to hundreds of millions more for products that are obviously intended for self-medication. Herbs are also marketed by naturopaths, acupuncturists, iridologists, chiropractors, and unlicensed herbalists, many of whom prescribe them for the entire gamut of health problems. Many such practitioners are not qualified to make appropriate medical diagnoses or to determine how the products they prescribe compare to proven drugs.

    Herbal advocates like to point out that about half of today's medicines were derived from plants. (Digitalis, for example, was originally derived from leaves of the foxglove plant.) This statement is true but misleading. Drug products contain specified amounts of active ingredients. Herbs in their natural state can vary greatly from batch to batch and often contain chemicals that cause side effects but provide no benefit.

    When potent natural substances are discovered, drug companies try to isolate and synthesize the active chemical in order to provide a reliable supply. They also attempt to make derivatives that are more potent, more predictable, and have fewer side effects. In the case of digitalis, derivatives provide a spectrum of speed and duration of action. Digitalis leaf is almost never used today because its effects are less predictable. Many herbs contain hundreds or even thousands of chemicals that have not been completely cataloged. Some of these chemicals may turn out to be useful as therapeutic agents, but others could well prove toxic.

    Little Public Protection

    In the United States, herbs intended for preventive or therapeutic use would be regulated as drugs under federal laws. To evade the law, these products are marketed as "foods" or "dietary supplements" without health claims on their labels. Since herbs are not regulated as drugs, no legal standards exist for their processing, harvesting, or packaging. In many cases, particularly for products with expensive raw ingredients, contents and potency are not accurately disclosed on the label. Many products marked as herbs contain no useful ingredients, and some even lack the principal ingredient for which people buy them. Surveys have found have found that the ingredients and doses of several products varied considerably from brand to brand.

    • A Good Housekeeping Institute analysis of six widely available St. John's wort supplement capsules and four liquid extracts revealed a lack of consistency of the suspected active ingredients, hypericin and pseudohypericin. The study found:
      • A 17-fold difference between the capsules containing the smallest amount of hypericin and those containing the largest amount, based on manufacturer's maximum recommended dosage.
      • A 13-fold difference in pseudohypericin in the capsules.
      • A 7-to-8-fold differential from the highest to the lowest levels of liquid extracts [1].
    • A similar investigation by the Los Angeles Times found that 7 of 10 Dr. John's wort products contained between 75% and 135% of the labeled hypericin level, and three contained no more than about half the labeled potency [2].
    • Researchers at the University of Arkansas who tested 20 supplement products containing ephedra (ma huang) found many differences in alkaloid content from product to product and between two lots of the same product. Half the products exhibited discrepancies of 20% or more between the label claim and the actual content, and one product contained no ephedra alkaloids [3]. Ephedra products are marketed as "energy boosters" and/or "thermogenic" diet aids, even though no published clinical trials substantiate that they are safe or effective for these purposes. The researchers also noted that hundreds of such products are marketed and that their number exceeds that of conventional prescription and nonprescription ephedra products, which are FDA-approved as decongestants
    • The April 2000 issue of D Magazine reported that -- at its request -- a leading laboratory had tested five brands of DHEA, ginger, ginkgo biloba, ginseng, melatonin, saw palmetto, St. John's wort, and milk thistle purchased at five stores in the Dallas area. The ginger and melatonin products contained the stated amounts, but 10 of the other 30 products did not, and a few products had capsules that easily fell apart [4]
    • In October 2003, the AMA Arhives of Internal Medicine reported the results of a survey of herbal products at twenty retail stores in and around Minneapolis. The chosen herbs were echinacea, St. John's wort, ginkgo biloba, garlic, saw palmetto, ginseng, goldenseal, aloe, Siberian ginseng, and valerian. The authors noted that 43% of 880 products were labeled with the ingredients and dosage that had used in published studies of the ingredients. The actual ingredients were not measured, but the survey indicated that many manufacturers failed to formulate their products to correspond with available research data. [5].

    Some manufacturers are trying to develop industrywide quality-assurance standards, but possible solutions are a long way off.

    The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 included herbal products in its definition of "dietary supplements," even though herbs have little or no nutritional value. (The bill was spearheaded by the health-food industry in order to weaken FDA regulation of its products.) Herbal or other botanical ingredients include processed or unprocessed plant parts (bark, leaves, flowers, fruits, and stems) as well as extracts and essential oils. They are available as teas, powders, tablets, capsules, and elixirs, and may be marketed as single substances or combined with other herbs, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, or non-nutrient ingredients. Products containing multiple herbal ingredients may produce adverse effects that are impossible to predict. A 1999 survey by Prevention magazine's found that 12% of herbal remedy users reported adverse reactions [6]

    The manufacture of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is closely regulated by the FDA, But herbal products are not [7]. Even the fact that an herb is known to be toxic does not ensure its removal from the marketplace. When the FDA concludes that an herb is dangerous, it usually issues a warning rather than a ban. A few years ago, the FDA Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition maintained a database of reports the FDA has received of adverse events associated with the use of dietary supplements and herbal products. However, the database is no longer posted because the FDA could not be certain that the reported problems were caused by the products or occurred for other reasons.

    Much Unreliable Information

    To make a rational decision about an herbal product, it would be necessary to know what it contains, whether it is safe, and whether it has been demonstrated to be as good or better than pharmaceutical products available for the same purpose. For most herbal ingredients this information is incomplete or unavailable. Even worse, most published information about herbs is unreliable. The late Varro E. Tyler, Ph.D., former dean of the Purdue University School of Pharmacy and a leading authority on pharmacognosy (the science of medicines from natural sources), observed:

    More misinformation about the safety and efficacy of herbs is reaching the public currently than at any previous time, including the turn-of-the-century heyday of patent medicines. The literature promoting herbs includes pamphlets, magazine articles, and books ranging in quality from cheaply printed flyers to elaborately produced studies in fine bindings with attractive illustrations. Practically all of these writings recommend large numbers of herbs for treatment based on hearsay, folklore, and tradition. The only criterion that seems to be avoided in these publications is scientific evidence. Some writings are so comprehensive and indiscriminate that they seem to recommend everything for anything. Even deadly poisonous herbs are sometimes touted as remedies, based on some outdated report or a misunderstanding of the facts. Particularly insidious is the myth that there is something almost magical about herbal drugs that prevents them, in their natural state, from harming people [8].

    Two of Tyler's books (The Honest Herbal and Herbs of Choice) summarize what is known about many commonly used herbs, as do several recently published guidebooks for professionals. However, for most substances, not enough is known to make well-informed decisions about their use. The American Botanical Council, which markets many science-based herbal guidebooks, includes several unreliable books in its otherwise valuable catalog. In 1996, I asked the council's executive director Mark Blumenthal to purge the catalog of books that contain highly irresponsible or quack advice. When he refused, I made a similar request to Tyler, who was a member of the Council's 7-person board of trustees. But the books I complained about remained in the catalog, and several other quacky ones were added.

    A study published in 2002 found that many sites located by searching for "herbs" and "cancer cure" contained illegal claims. [9] Dr. Stephen Barrett advises consumers to ignore advice from anyone who has a financial interest in the sale of dietary supplements, herbs, or homeopathic products.

    Researchers from Harvard have evaluated claims made on 443 Web sites located by searching for information about eight widely used herbal supplements (ginkgo biloba, St John's wort, echinacea, ginseng, garlic, saw palmetto, kava kava, and valerian root). [10]. The researchers concluded:

    • Among 443 sites, 338 (76%) were retail sites either selling product or directly linked to a vendor.
    • 273 (81%) of the 338 retail Web sites made 1 or more health claims, with 149 (55%) claiming to treat, prevent, diagnose, or cure specific diseases.
    • More than half (153/292; 52%) of sites with a health claim omitted the legally required standard federal disclaimer.
    • Nonretail sites were more likely than retail sites to include literature references, but only 52 (12%) of the 443 Web sites provided referenced information without a link to a distributor or vendor.
    • Consumers may be misled by vendors' claims that herbal products can treat, prevent, diagnose, or cure specific diseases, despite regulations prohibiting such statements. Physicians should be aware of this widespread and easily accessible information.
    • More effective regulation is required to put this class of therapeutics on the same evidence-based footing as other medicinal products.

    The involvement of drug companies into the herbal marketplace may improve standardization of dosage for a few products. And public and professional interest in herbs is likely to stimulate more research. However, with safe and effective medicines available, treatment with herbs rarely makes sense, and many of the conditions for which herbs are recommended are not suitable for self-treatment.

    Reliable Information Sources

    • The Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database is available online and in print [11] for $92 per year (or $132 for both versions). The online version is updated daily, while the print version is updated several times a year. A recent review has noted that the 1999 book covered 964 herbs and dietary supplements, of which only 15% had been proven safe and only 11% had been proven effective for the indications for which they are used [12]. The July 2000 edition covers over 1,000 substances. Each month, Quackwatch posts one monograph from this database.
    • AboutHerbs: This Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center (MSKCC) database has more than 300 entries about herbs, dietary supplements, and "alternative" cancer treatments. Each item provides details about constituents, adverse effects, interactions, and potential benefits or problems. "Professional" and consumer versions are provided, but most of the professional information is readily understandable by laypersons. The articles have less information than their counterparts in the Natural Medicines database, but they are researched and written quite well.
    • Herbal Medicines (2nd edition), which contains 148 herbal monographs, can be ordered at a discount through Quackwatch.
    • The Professional's Handbook of Complementary & Alternative Medicines, which covers about 300 herbs and other substances, can be ordered from Amazon Books.
    • ConsumerLab.com: Does product evaluations, including laboratory tests of ingredient levels.
    Reviews of Books to Avoid

    References

    1. Good Housekeeping Institute. New Good Housekeeping Institute study finds drastic discrepancy in potencies of popular herbal supplement. News release, Consumer Safety Symposium on Dietary Supplements and Herbs, New York City, March 3, 1998.
    2. Monmaney T. Labels' potency claims often inaccurate, analysis finds. Spot check of products finds widely varying levels of key ingredient. But some firms object to testing method and defend their brands' quality. Los Angeles Times, Aug 31, 1998.
    3. Gurley BJ and others. Content versus label claims in ephedra-containing dietary supplements. American Journal of Health-System Pharmacists 57:963-969, 2000. [PDF]
    4. Roffman GE. Herbal remedy ripoffs. D Magazine, April 2000.
    5. Garrard S and others. Variations in product choices of frequently purchased herbs: Caveat emptor. Archives of Internal Medicine 163:2290-2295, 2003.
    6. Survey of Consumer Use of Dietary Supplements. Emmaus, PA: Rodale Press, 1999.
    7. Hasegawa GR. Uncertain quality of dietary supplements: History repeated. American Journal of Health-System Pharmacists 57:951 2000.
    8. Tyler VE. The overselling of herbs. In Barrett S, Jarvis T, editors: The Health Robbers: A Close Look at Quackery in America. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 1993.
    9. Bonakdar RA. Herbal cancer cures on the Web: Noncompliance with the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act. Family Medicine 34:522-527, 2002.
    10. Morris CA, Avorn J. Internet marketing of herbal products. JAMA 290:1505-1509, 2003.
    11. Jellin JM, Batz F, Hitchens K, editors. Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database. Stockton, CA: Therapeutic Research Faculty, 1999.
    12. Marty AT. Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database (book review). JAMA 283:2992-2993, 2000.False Tenets of Paraherbalism ||| Quackwatch Home Page

    This page was updated on March 16, 2004.

  • mama1119
    mama1119

    I am a big fan of the natural remedies. I use alot of the Bach flower essences..those really help with anxiety etc. But, it is agood idea to educate yourself on them, to make sure you don't take a bad combo of things. I would suggest getting an hebal reference book.

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    BlackSwan , that wouldn't have been Cohosh, would it? I ask because one of the first I tried was Black cohosh: listed as good for lowering blood pressure and cholesterol. Side effect: It gave me boobs! LOL (just kidding )

    Lol, now that is worthy of a pic, lmao. Ok, I don't remember what it was off hand, sorry! It was about two years ago. I DO know that Damiana leaf is good as an aphrodisiac and that Kava Kava is a very helpful relaxant. That's bout all I remember at the moment.

    Talley, what a great link!!

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    the thing with natural remedies is that much of the evidence in support of use is anecdotal. Look for information that tells you things like dosage, methods of administration, effects, side effects, what happens when you combine with other meds/herbs. For instance, several of the herbs you are taking should NOT be taken if you are taking coumadin. Some are a little risky, like ephedra, if you have high blood pressure. Some are phytohormones, as noted, and mimic progesterin (sp?) in the body. Do research, but don't take any statements for granted - many many sites on the web that give you information about natural supplements also sell those supplements, so their claims should be regarded as a sales pitch, not necessarily the truth.

    There is an Herbal PDR based on German research - you can find it and order it on the web.

    I learned a good lesson a long time ago. Someone was selling bee pollen, and my friend asked if it was "good for allergies." The person selling the bee pollen said, "oh yes, it is very good for allergies!" So my friend, who has a lot of allergies to flowers and pollen, took a big dose of bee pollen. Collapsed with anaphylactic shock not long after. fortunately he was with people who had the sense to call paramedics. Some folks I know would have done polarity or something in that emergency.

    What did I learn from that? Don't rely on people who sell the products to give you accurate information about their uses/effects/dosage etc. Do your own research. Saying something is "good" for a condition is useless. You need to know who says so, what dosage, how administered, etc.

    I use supplements all the time, just very carefully. After all, they are still meds. However, now that we are learning so very much about what's in food, we can tailor our diets to solve some problems and not have to take so many supplements. Also, you can find an acupuncturist who is actually trained in the use of herbs that have been studied thoroughly, and have that person advise you on what combinations of herbs you should take.

  • averyniceguy
    averyniceguy

    I am a man of few words sometimes, so take a look at www.healthyhealing.com I have ordered them from them in the past and they have helped me. Take care!

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