"The Secret" - Movie

by Bstndance 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • poppers
    poppers
    Popper -- it's ALL about feeling good versus feeling bad, and while I agree that the external are only "things", my recent inner peace would not have been possible if I had continued living with a person who had betrayed me because I hadn't the financial means to get out. The means appeared, I believe, because Source knew that for me to be my best and highest self, I had to move to a place where I could be myself, unencumbered.

    I am happy for you, outnfree. Source - that's where it's at. You are the source - you are it.

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    "Source - that's where it's at. You are the source - you are it ."

    Amen, Poppers! and so are you! ;-)

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  • Bstndance
    Bstndance

    I wasn't saying that I didn't agree with some of the points in The Secret. It's just as Seeker4 said it's the same stuff that's been packaged over and over again. It's so popular that all of the same stuff in The Secret is also in Dianetics as well as taught by Christian Scientists and some forms of Buddhism.
    I just felt it got outrageous when they are telling the viewer to visualize a new car. It started to feel like one of those 3am paid programming seminar programs.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    I remember back in the 1980's a news report about a religion that taught that people were immortal and that the only reason people die is because they *believe* they will die.

    Anytime a member died they would condemn the person as being "unfaithful".

    Sometimes I wonder if the founder of the religion has died yet.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic
    Oy vey! So my friend made me watch the "movie" The Secret last night. It's basically a movie about the concept of visualizing and how we can achieve anything we want if we just picture it and not think about the negative. Well, in those terms it is a good point; however, I felt the movie was definitely a ploy at people's sense of greed and power.

    Not everyone is greedy or wishes to be powerful, most people just would like to have necessities in life which would make them feel a certain amount of abundance and have more joy in their lives.

    Anyone who feels self important will enjoy this movie.

    To me my life is important and after wasting so much of it in a mind altering cult (JW's) I say it's about time for me!

    The movie tells you to visualize and believe. What about all of those people that audition for American Idol and truly believe they are the winner when there's not a snowball's chance in hell they'll get past the first round. Were they not believing enough?
    A few interesting points about the movie:
    1) There's a scene where someone is running late for work and they state that if you keep saying "I'm going to be late" you will be late. Well if you leave 15 mins late for work the universe isn't going to fix itself so that you can be on time. It's your own fault.
    2) The movie states that no one has a purpose in life set out for them. Ten minutes later, they state that your purpose in life is to achieve everything you want.
    3) They say negative people attract disease. Are they saying the all the people in Africa with AIDS attracted the disease because they are such negative people?
    My experience that could have went on the video: A year ago I really wanted to drive a MINI. I determined I would get one in a couple years when my car loan's term is up. A couple months later, a person does a uturn infront of me and totals my car. A week later, I'm driving a MINI. So because I wanted the MINI so bad, the universe let the other drive make a stupid mistake and slam into my car. It's all to fatalist.
    What are your thoughts?

    I think you are missing the point with the American Idol analogy. Those singers are in a competition and they also know they could be one of the losers, possibly they are concentrating more on losing? How would one know what they are thinking? You are making the assumption that they are believers in The Secret here and applying the principals of it.

    I haven't seen the movie yet but am going to reply by the seat of my pants on your assessments:

    1) It's all about your focus. What you focus on is what you create, ask and it will happen.

    2). I get from that we need to make our life our purpose and set goals and set about to achieve them. Famous saying (verbatim) those who fail to plan plan to fail.

    3). Again a poor analogy. The people in Africa are victims of circumstances most of which they have little or no control over. It's common knowledge that negative/depressed people suffer more health related problems than those who have a positive outlook. A depressed person is at dis-ease within themselves which brings negative energies which brings disease. Ask and you shall recieve.

    As far as your own experience with your auto accident and and replacing it with the car you had already decided in advance you wanted, well ask and you shall receive! Cool car btw!

    I'm just now reading the book and have viewed some of the TV programs with the authors on it, it's no surprise to me that there will be naysayers in this there always are whenever something new comes out. It really makes no difference to me if people believe it works or not, it works for me, that is, the power of positive thinking and it's a much better way for me to live my life than the way I did when I was extremely depressed and suicidal.

    I'm finding that The Secret is a new spin on an old concept but one in which I find fascinating. My first experience with this kind of concept was in reading Norman Vincent Peale's book The Results of the Power of Positive Thinking back in the early 90's a book I hid from the JW's! I loved that book so much I got his first book The Power of Positive Thinking which at the time I liked his viewpoints on God and his use of scripture. Now that I'm an Atheist I still find the principals easy enough to apply to my life without all the religious stuff.

    Anyway I'm not in a hurry to buy the movie but some day will and I'm sure I'll find there are concepts which I can apply and some which I think are just not for me. I think people are making a lot out of the movie and the concepts but then again I have to realize it's a new idea to some of you younger peeps and it's all good. Live, learn and pass it on.

  • Mum
    Mum

    I just came from a viewing of the movie this afternoon at the public library. It is about more than visualizing and positive thinking. Obviously, one has to work and take risks as well. I think the universe does give us many things that we don't recognize because of the effort required to make them come to fruition. A friend of mine once showed me a poem about how God does not send us big bouquets, but lots of seeds.

    My main concern is that people will come away thnking they can conjure up anything without effort. Another concern is self-blame when things don't go well. Being depressed and hopeless is bad enough without adopting a belief that has to potential to worsen one's condition. The material needs to be presented with a little more caution. A priest at my church pointed out that people in other cultures don't have the wide range of opportunity and choices that Americans do, and are more realistic about believing they can make things happen or, at least, expectations of instant gratification versus years of preparation, work and focus.

    Personally, I have benefitted by reading Wayne Dyer. After all, if one responds positively to others, it does make the others more accepting and willing to help that person achieve his or her goals. I have improved my life by following my inner voice and ignoring many naysayers and by listening to the wisdom of others. I don't have great wealth by American standards, but, compared to where I was ten years ago, I have been legally adopted as a Rockefeller.

    Best regards,

    SandraC

  • Bstndance
    Bstndance

    I think this blog: http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2007/02/the_secret.html does a little better job than I did in regards to a critique of the film.
    One thing I didn't know that I found out in the blog was that some of the same people involved in The Secret were also involved with "What the Bleep Do We Know?" which is a film with ties to the Ramtha cult.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    I havent seen this movie, but from what I have read, it seems to me that it would help with some things like weight loss, stop smoking, or other things that we have almost complete control over, or things that we choose to do that are negative.

    It may give someone a whole new outlook and give them a boost too, however for the most part I dont believe in this kind of stuff as it kinda reminds me of cult, more specifically Scientology. You only have control over so much, and there is always a certain element of chance, bad luck, or whatever you want to call it. You can do all the positive thinking you want, but that isnt gonna stop your employer from shutting down the factory, it isnt gonna keep your job from being outsourced, it isnt gonna stop random tragedies such as car wrecks, broken bones, or many other things.

    I think this can kinda delude people, and then when they dont reach their goals, they will feel like a total failure.

    I think it's great to have goals, but I think everyone needs to have realistic goals, and being able to recognize what you can do, and what you cant do, and being able to recognize the difference between the two.

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    My thoughts?

    Well hellooo Genie

    ;)

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