LESSONS FROM HISTORY

by Doug Mason 32 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Fred,

    If you're going to say that the NWBTC (New World Bible Translation Committee) has changed or is changing the Bible, then you'd have to say that other prophets in the Inspired Scriptures have done the same, including Jesus himself. All have applied Scriptures in ways that weren't obvious to many others (whether to those in their own day or since).

    There is a distinction that you seem unwilling to admit: Jesus and the prophets claimed to be speaking directly for God. They also repeatedly claim to be infallible in their prophecies. The Governing Body makes no such claim—any such claim on their part would be laughable.

    By what measure do you dare to compare them to Jesus or any of the 1st Century Christians who could readily prove their anointment? By what measure do they dare to compare themselves to Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Malachi?

    I think you overstep the bounds of good sense too easily. I am sure I know where you learned to do so.

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586
    Since Jehovah delegated to Jesus and allowed/authorized the writing of Matthew 24:45-51, and Jesus has allowed the GB to oversee things (even though the FDS are mentioned, not the GB), that's up to Jesus and Jehovah how that gets sorted. Jehovah still remains true, even if all men are proved liars.

    I'd love to see you prove this without going in a circle. That is, if you aren't too tired from waving your pom-poms all day long.

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway
    Since Jehovah delegated to Jesus and allowed/authorized the writing of Matthew 24:45-51, and Jesus has allowed the GB to oversee things (even though the FDS are mentioned, not the GB), that's up to Jesus and Jehovah how that gets sorted. Jehovah still remains true, even if all men are proved liars.

    I'd love to see you prove this without going in a circle. That is, if you aren't too tired from waving your pom-poms all day long. to SirNose586: It's all in Jehovah's Word, which has the final say, after all. If King David could praise Jehovah throughout his life, then I can too.

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway

    Fred,

    If you're going to say that the NWBTC (New World Bible Translation Committee) has changed or is changing the Bible, then you'd have to say that other prophets in the Inspired Scriptures have done the same, including Jesus himself. All have applied Scriptures in ways that weren't obvious to many others (whether to those in their own day or since).

    There is a distinction that you seem unwilling to admit: Jesus and the prophets claimed to be speaking directly for God. They also repeatedly claim to be infallible in their prophecies. The Governing Body makes no such claim—any such claim on their part would be laughable.

    By what measure do you dare to compare them to Jesus or any of the 1st Century Christians who could readily prove their anointment? By what measure do they dare to compare themselves to Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Malachi?

    I think you overstep the bounds of good sense too easily. I am sure I know where you learned to do so.

    The word infallible is not used in the NWT. If any of the GB's words are included in the "new scrolls", then those that are allowed to live then will know, if it matters. The measure is God's Word. We all offend others, even Jehovah, many times in word, thought, and deed. May we each forgive one another and repent, so that we in turn may be shown undeserved kindness in the hour of test and the hour of need. We learn wherever we are. May we select the good always, so that ours may be a good portion from Jehovah himself, the giver of all good gifts and perfect presents.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Check two things, Fred: (1) the definition of infallible, and (2) the occurrences of "without fail" in the NWT.

    Then apologize.

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway
    Check two things, Fred: (1) the definition of infallible, and (2) the occurrences of "without fail" in the NWT. Then apologize.

    Using the Comprehensive Concordance (which references the NWT), I do not see a subhead for "infallible" or any entry for "without fail" (under the subhead of "without"). Perhaps you can enlighten us all with your undeserved kindness, knowledge, and love. Thus, we may all draw closer in unity with Jehovah, Our Creator and Supreme Head, and benefit correctly from LESSONS IN HISTORY.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    Fred: Using the Comprehensive Concordance (which references the NWT), I do not see a subhead for "infallible" or any entry for "without fail" (under the subhead of "without").

    Then your concordance is not very comprehensive after all. The phrase "without fail" appears 159 times in the NWT.

    04 in Genesis
    18 in Exodus
    14 in Leviticus
    13 in Numbers
    12 in Deuteronomy

    61 times in the Pentateuch alone. 53 additional times in the books from Isaiah through Zechariah. Perhaps you should upgrade your research tools to more comprehensive ones.

    (Jeremiah 44:29-30) 29 "‘And this is the sign for YOU,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘that I am turning my attention upon YOU in this place, in order that YOU may know that my words will without fail come true upon YOU for calamity: 30 This is what Jehovah has said: "Here I am giving Phar´aoh Hoph´ra, the king of Egypt, into the hand of his enemies and into the hand of those seeking for his soul, just as I have given Zed·e·ki´ah the king of Judah into the hand of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon, his enemy and the one seeking for his soul."’"

    Jeremiah spoke the words of Jehovah and stated Jehovah's pronouncements as infallibile.

    (Habakkuk 2:2-3) 2 And Jehovah proceeded to answer me and to say: "Write down [the] vision, and set [it] out plainly upon tablets, in order that the one reading aloud from it may do so fluently. 3 For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

    Habakkuk spoke the words of Jehovah and stated Jehovah's pronouncements as infallibile.

    Every prophet in the Bible who is credited as a prophet spoke God's words and not their own thinking on interpretation. Daniel said interpretations belong to God, but Jehovah's Witnesses view me as Satanic unless I acknowledge the validity of the fallible and changing interpretations of the Governing Body. Ergo, the Governing Body is their God.

    I cannot believe you didn't know the NWT uses the phrase "without fail" ... how pathetic it must be to think yourself more knowledgable than others on Scriptural topics only to be proved so lacking in knowledge.

    I quite correctly stated that the true prophets of the Bible claimed to speak for God and claimed infallibility in their prophesying. I also correctly stated that these charlatans you heed claim, in effect, to be false prophets in that they do not speak for God (although they speak in his name) and are certainly not infallible in their pronouncements.

    (Deuteronomy 18:20-22) 20 "‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’

    There are only two sources ...

    (1 John 4:1) 1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

    Authoritative expressions on spiritual matters either originate with God or they originate from false prophets. In the case of the Governing Body the origin is clear: they do not even claim that God is the source, they must be false prophets. They put lying words in the mouth of God.

    —AuldSoul

  • acadian
    acadian
    Fifty victories in the US Supreme Court don't just happen. They are a result of successfully applying that injunction, etc.

    That just shows the lack of faith in their God and his authority by asking man's government for permission to do God's work. When Jesus disciple were brought before man's court they didn't ask permission to preach the Gosple, no they put their faith in God and preached any way. If they are God's channel here on earth, why do they need Man's permission to preach the Good News? Because they are a man made corporation, under authority of the government that created it. Acadian

  • Gill
    Gill

    AND most importantly, Acadian if you don't mind my adding this, they also did not want to lose any of their MONEY by fines being imposed on them by the government for acting unlawfully.

    In the end, that is all the WTBTS is about Cash! Moolah! Money! The bottom line is Money, not God, not Jesus, not religion and not even their pathetic, mind controlled, misfit followers!

    Remember this, that Watchtower publications all have to be payed for by the followers!

    What happened to you received free, so give free?

    The WTBTS has made massive profits from its literature for decades!

    It's a business. And business exist to make? MONEY!!!

  • acadian
    acadian

    Good points Gill,

    As a matter of fact the WTS is in violation of God's Law not to create an Image/Idol of anything, so what is a corpoation? Here's an excerpt from the article "The Truth About Church Incorporation" no author listed

    "So what exactly is incorporation? What really happens to a church that becomes incorporated? Are there biblical principles against incorporation?

    First of all, let us define the word "corporation." In the strict everyday definition of the word, a corporation is "a group of people combined into or acting as one body." This word is derived from the Latin word "corpus," which means "body." In this sense, the Christian Church is indeed a corporation. It is the "corpus Christi," the "Body of Christ." It derives its existence and authority from its Head, the risen and victorious Son of God. It is comprised of individual members who have covenanted together to further Christ's Kingdom by the preaching of the Gospel and the discipling of the nations (Matthew 28:19-20).

    Christ is Sovereign over his Church

    The Church's "corporate status" is well-established in Scripture: Matthew 16:18, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 27, Ephesians 1:22; 5:23b, 30, Colossians 1:18; 2:19 teach that Christ is clearly the head of the church, and we are all members of his body.

    The Church is the visible manifestation of Christ's Kingdom on earth. However, as Jesus Himself stated, "My Kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). Many Christians have misunderstood this verse to mean that neither the Church nor individual Christians should involve themselves with the affairs of the world. In what is known as "pietism," a false dichotomy is erected between the "spiritual" Kingdom and the "carnal" world.

    Of course, this is not what Jesus had in mind at all. He very explicitly stated elsewhere that Christians are to act as the "salt" of the earth and as a "light" in the world by permeating society and working to change it from within (Mat.5:13-16). This task of dominion is accomplished through the work of evangelism and discipleship, as Jesus commanded in the Great Commission. The Christian's purpose is indeed "worldly," insofar as it is involved in bringing the world into subjection to the Word of God (2 Cor.10:5).

    Thus, the true meaning of Jesus' declaration that His Kingdom is "not of this world," is that it does not derive its authority and power from the world or its institutions. The Church is indeed a spiritual organization, but this simply means that it is "of the Spirit"-- it relies upon the Holy Spirit and the inspired Word for its existence, not upon the efforts or laws of men. This important detail should be kept in mind as we further study the subject of church incorporation.

    The State is Sovereign over its Corporations

    Having briefly examined the biblical definition of a corporation, let us now look at the legal definition of a corporation. According to the U.S. Supreme Court:

    1. "A corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitation of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and ascertain if it has exceeded its powers" (Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43).

    2. "[A corporation is] an artificial person or legal entity created by or under the authority of the laws of a state. An association of persons created by statute as a legal entity.... The corporation is distinct from the individuals who comprise it (shareholders).... Such an entity subsists as a body politic under a special denomination, which is regarded in law as having a personality and existence distinct from that of its several members." Black's Law Dictionary West Publishing Company, 1991; 6th Edition, page 340.

    3. "A corporation derives its existence and all of its powers from the State and, therefore, has only such powers as the State has conferred upon it. Power is used here to mean the legal capacity to execute and fulfill the objects and purposes for which the corporation was created, and the source of this power is the charter and the statute under which the corporation was organized." Len Young Smith and G. Gale Roberson, Smith and Roberson's Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 796.

    Note: A corporation is created by, and derives its existence from, the State. In contrast, the church is created by, a creature of, derives its existence from, subject to, and obeys the Law of, Jesus Christ.

    4. "Corporate existence is a privilege granted by the sovereign upon compliance with specified conditions" Len Young Smith and G. Gale Roberson, Smith and Roberson's Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 931. .

    5. "Corporations are not citizens.... The term citizen... applies only to natural persons... not to artificial persons created by the legislature" Paul v. Virginia, 8 Wall. 168, 177; see also the Opinion of Field, J., in the Slaughterhouse Cases, 16 Wall.36,99.

    Note: God teaches that Christians, his church, are citizens of the household of God (Eph.2:19, Phil.3:10).

    6. Every corporation has obtained a charter from the State of Incorporation. This charter is simply permission to exist given to the corporation, without which, its operations would be considered illegal. In addition to the charter are the articles of incorporation: "The objects or purposes for which a corporation is formed are expressly stated in its articles of incorporation, which delineate in general language the type of business activities in which the corporation proposes to engage" Smith and Roberson's Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 798.

    Note: Is the church of God involved in any type of business activities? (Matthew 21:12, John 2:16).

    7. "Instances of non-profit corporations are educational institutions, athletic clubs, library clubs, fraternities, sororities, hospitals, and organizations which have exclusively a charitable purpose" Smith and Roberson's Business Law, West Publishing Company, 1966, page 789.

    The reader will notice that "churches" are conspicuously absent from this list of non-profit corporations. That is because our law-makers are fully aware that incorporation involves creation, and the Church simply cannot be created by the State. Furthermore, the Church's ordained purpose of preaching the Gospel can never be illegal, so no special license is required from the State to do so.

    Though not all of our founding fathers were genuine Christians, they nevertheless understood that the Church of Christ is under the sole jurisdiction of its Lord, and that the civil magistrate therefore should not dare to encroach upon that authority. Because of this healthy respect for the Church, the very first sentence of the Bill of Rights reads as follows:

    "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (U.S. Constitution, First Amendment).

    According to Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black: "The establishment clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church" Everson v. Board of Education, 1947). Is a Church required to Incorporate under the Government?

    According to the Internal Revenue Code, "a church, its integrated auxiliaries, and conventions and associations of the church are excluded from taxation." United States Code, Title 26, § 508(c)(1)(A).

    Section 508(c) of the Internal Revenue Code provides that churches are not required to apply for recognition of Section 501(c)(3) status in order to be exempt from federal taxation or to receive tax deductible contributions. Churches are automatically exempt from Federal income tax, and contributions to churches are deductible by donors under section 170.

    Elsewhere, the IRS states: "Although a church, its integrated auxiliaries, or a convention of churches is not required to file Form 1023 to be exempt from federal income tax or to receive tax deductible contributions, such an organization may find it advantageous to obtain recognition of exemption (Tax Exempt Status for Your Organization, IRS Publication 557).

    Just what "advantage" is there for a church in obtaining 501(c)(3) recognition and thereby exchanging its sovereignty for a subordinate status in relation to the federal government? Most people would answer that such grants the church exemption from taxation. However, we have already seen that the federal government has never been able to tax the Church of Christ; the Church is not exempt from taxation, it is immune. The "advantage" is something else entirely:

    "By establishing its exemption, potential contributors are assured by the [Internal Revenue] Service that contributions will be deductible" Tax Exempt Status for Your Organization, IRS Publication 557.

    The tragic irony of all this is that, according to the Internal Revenue Code, financial donations to an unregistered, unincorporated church are automatically tax-deductible (26 USC 170-B)! But is this biblical?

    "God loveth a cheerful giver." (2 Corinthians 9:7). But the government promises, "Incorporate, and I will return to you up to thirty-five percent of your tithes and offerings!" And the Bridegroom wept. Now Jesus knows that His bride "purposeth in [her] heart . . . grudgingly, or of necessity." (2 Corinthians 9:7). God had no respect towards Cain's offering because he did not give from the heart (Gen.4:3-6).

    The IRS, of course, knows very well that it has no constitutional authority over the Church, and that it may not violate the First Amendment protection against government interference with the Church. In fact, the IRS may not violate the constitutionally secured rights of any American Citizen or group of Citizens, and is able to gain jurisdiction only when such is given to it voluntarily. Thus, the IRS holds out the unbiblical "advantage" of 501(c)(3) corporate status as bait to clergy ignorant of the law in hopes that these men will "bite," thereby placing themselves and their congregations firmly on its jurisdictional hook.

    Once the bait has been taken, and the catch is reeled in, another church has been transformed into a "legal fiction" subject to the tyrannical control of the federal government. The truth is that "incorporated churches" are not, by definition, churches at all! They are merely "non-profit organizations" (or should I say "non-prophet organizations"). The truth is, any "church" that is incorporated has deposed Jesus Christ from His rightful position as Head over His own Body and has surrendered that Body to the dominion of the State.

    The truth is, "incorporated churches" are subject to total governmental control

    Should the Bible itself one day be ruled by the government to be "politically incorrect," incorporated churches will find themselves on the horns of a very serious dilemma. After all, in a civil suit, a corporation's defense is limited to the terms specifically enumerated in its charter and articles of incorporation. All other "extrinsic evidence," including the Bible or any historical Christian creeds or standards, will be disallowed in a State court case, because they are "not contained in the body of [the] contract." (Black's Law Dictionary, p. 588). Outside of its own walls, the incorporated church may not stand on the authority of the Scriptures regarding any political or civil issue, because it is bound by the "higher laws" of the State. Consequently, the Christian Church in America, little by little, ceases to be the "salt" and "light" to society that it was commanded to be (Mat.5:13-16). And all this for a simple tax deduction! Because of money! This directly contradicts Jesus' teaching, "make not my Father's house an house of merchandise" (John 2:16)."

    End of excerpt.

    I say even if everything they say is true (which we know is not the case here), they are a corporation and in violation of God's Law against making images/idols of anything.

    Acadian

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