Pressure to conform from his wife's congregation; Part 2

by OnTheWayOut 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    This is what was said in part 1 of this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/125918/1.ashx

    So this guy I see occasionally at work (he's a traveling
    representative and passes thru now and then) is really easy
    to get along with, so we talk.
    He married a girl who was studying with JW's. His mom is
    a JW, but he used to study after he got married and
    discontinued the study after a few months. His wife got
    baptized less than a year after he married her. She had a
    young child from a previous marriage, the coworker had a
    baby with her recently.

    Anyway, to the point- He attends many meetings when he is
    not traveling. He goes for her sake and helps with the kids.
    He dresses in clean clothes, but hates to wear a tie, so he
    would not. He asked me about it, because the elders have
    been pulling him or his wife or both aside and encouraged him
    to start studying again. When he declines, they ask him about
    putting a tie on. He says they really tell his wife that he ought to
    try harder to "fit in." He asked what I think of it all.

    I told him that I was having problems with this religion, but I would
    answer his question in the spirit it came to me in. I said, "You are
    not a Bible student, You are not a baptized brother. First, they
    have no authority over you. Second, they should only be saying
    positive things about how wonderful you are to come and help with
    the kids. They should not have any counsel for you, or for your wife
    about you. It's wrong."

    That was months ago. I saw him recently. He said her son wanted to
    stop wearing a tie, because step-dad didn't. The brothers kept bothering
    his wife about it, so my coworker caved in and is wearing the tie, now.
    He says he misses more meetings, finding more excuses to not go.
    I asked if he preferred going without the tie more often, or going with it
    less often. He said there was more peace with the wife when he went
    a bit more often, so now he's getting pressure to step up the meeting
    attendance from the wife and the brothers.

    Here's the update on this thread. The guy is going more often to the meetings,
    claims it causes much grief from the wife if he is not at work, and doesn't go with
    her. He has asked me for more advice. I gave him a copy of "Captives of a Concept"
    because he had many questions about these being "God's representatives." He
    enjoyed the book. He asked how to get the wife to read some anti-JW materials.
    I read a suggestion on JWD that wouldn't work for me, but I suggested it for him.

    The idea was that, as a non-JW, he can read what he wants, so he could get a
    copy of CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE, and make a half-attempt to hide it, so that his
    wife will find it. Well, he did this. He actually ordered a few books and items about
    JW's. His wife did find the book, and started looking at it. He said she kept looking
    at it for a couple of weeks.

    Finally, she acted like she just noticed it. "What's this?"

    "I'm trying to learn all I can about Jehovah's Witnesses."

    She has been a witness for a short time, so she didn't know what to say, and said
    nothing. He says a week later, she approached the subject again. (I said at this point, "Do
    you suppose that she approached the elders and asked their opinion?" "OH YES!" was
    his answer.) She said "It's a bad idea to read apostate materials." That's all she could say.
    He asked her "What does that mean to you- Apostate?" She just knew that people who left
    the JW's were apostates, nothing more. All he could say was, "Well, it seems like people
    who left would have some things to say. A Governing Body member who left would know
    quite a bit."

    She also wants her son to join the Theocratic Ministry School. The husband answered her this
    way- "He is struggling in school. I don't think he needs more pressure." That has worked for
    now. He asked me what I think. I told him, "You're the step-dad, but you are the head of the
    house. She's going to struggle with you on this one. You need to decide how firm you want to
    stand on this. As long as you hold out, she's going to keep pressuring you on this."

    So that's the update. Any more advice I should give him?

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  • MeneMene
    MeneMene

    Sounds like you have helped him a lot.

    Does he know about freeminds.org & silentlambs.org? Barbara Anderson's story that is on freeminds is very good. Maybe that would be something to make his wife think. He could print it out and leave it where she could find it.

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  • TheListener
    TheListener

    I think you've done a fantastic job.

    Keep up the good work.

    You fulfill an important part of his life right now - unconditional listening. Plus you have the right life experience to give suggestions.

    I really wonder what the wife thought about Crisis of Conscience. The information she read will stick with her for a long long time and hopefully the seed will germinate.

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Does he know about freeminds.org & silentlambs.org? Barbara Anderson's story that is on freeminds is
    very good. Maybe that would be something to make his wife think. He could print it out and leave it where she could find it.

    He seems to have found freeminds alright. He ordered his books through that site. He's still got the
    CoC hidden in a different place where his wife will probably find it, but he thinks the "elderly" advice
    to avoid apostate literature might have sunk in with his wife. He hopes not, but doesn't think more
    stuff would be good to leave out.

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    BTTT, still looking for your thoughts

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  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    othwo; your too nice. you know too much, blast the wts. tell him everything you know. don't hold back. set up a study with just him and his wife. and tell what you know. the more time you waste with your family and a new jw family. is giving the wt more power. i'de be dropping so many bombs . they would think the hall was in bagdad. don't get mad but i think your to soft. john

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    johnny cip, while I appreciate your input, I am a fader. I was an elder in August, and now I am on the verge of
    inactive. I don't wish to be disfellowshipped. I am not about to take information to an active JW. The husband
    knows that I could supply more information, but he proceeds with caution. He decided how to proceed, not me.

    blast the wts

    Some of the information I left out is that I told him, "If I had kids being dragged to the meetings by their mother,
    I would take drastic actions to free them from the organization." He decided to do less because the boy is her
    son, not his, and his daughter is still pre-school age. I did say that the boy needs to focus on school and not
    the ministry school, and not to let him get baptized as a child or teen. I did make sure he knew where to go with
    his questions, it's up to him to go there. I gave him a copy of David Reed's "How to Rescue a Loved One From the
    Watchtower." I told him about Steve Hassan's books.

    I am certainly happy to provide information to anyone. This guy's wife is ending the honeymoon stages of her
    activity in the WTS. She would definitely turn me in. Also, I don't want to use deception to get in with this family.
    The last thing I need is for my JW wife to befriend this JW wife. I don't make excuses to you to rationalize going
    "too soft" John. I condensed the story to its basic elements. I never met his wife and kids, just him. He knows
    where I stand. He has to make his own moves.

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  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    otwo ; i've been reading your story for months. and i feel for you. that's why i haven't commented much.. i see what your trying to do. i did much the same your trying to do. it didn't work in my case, i tried the OLD SOFT SHOE. for a few years, got me no where. just made me hate the wt more. you fade at your pace. just be ready for what happens when the final shoe drops. from reading what i can find on the net. about 90% of jw's can't get their family out. then you realize the old soft shoe was a waste of years. you still end up broken. i truely wish you well, and hope you understand my bitterness and stance against the wt. john

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  • unique1
    unique1

    Would it work for him to just be honest with her? Tell her, Honey I know you believe that this is the truth, but I don't share those feelings. The only reason I go to the meetings with you is to help you with the kids. I feel the elders are like the Pharisees with their added rules such as ties and no beards, etc. I have no problem keeping up meeting attendence because I love you and want to help you but I am not going to put on a tie just because someone asks me too when it is not outlined in Gods word. I don't think our son should be forced to wear one either, but you are his mother and if you decide that he needs to I will back you up one hundred percent.

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Would it work for him to just be honest with her?

    I encouraged that the first time I spoke with him, and a few other times. I told him not to
    give in on the tie. I told him to tell the elders that he was only there to help with the kids.
    These are HIS decisions. I will remind him of how that much honesty might have been easier,
    and how it's not too late.

    He gave in on the tie because of her son. The JW's can make him look like an apostate because
    he doesn't wear a tie, and make the wife have to pressure her son to view him differently. I can
    understand that, but disagree with his way of handling it.

    He allowed her to pressure him back up to going to most meetings. I told him that the more
    pressure I felt, the more I pushed in the opposite direction. No matter what, I set goals to miss
    a percentage of meetings (now miss over 60% of TMS/Serv. and 50% of Public Talk/WT and
    miss 100% of book studies) and I will be officially inactive at the end of March. I told him that.

    I told him that I am still a JW, so I wear the tie, but I stopped wearing the suit. I wear dockers and
    a button-up shirt and the tie. If it's cold, I wear any outdoor jacket that I wish to wear. I told him to
    be comfortable. He probably feels more comfortable with the elders off his back.

    My biggest fear is that it is difficult to go backwards. The tie and the missing meetings is a sign of that.
    Once his wife and the elders got him to wear the tie, he's afraid to go back to not wearing it. Once they
    got his meeting attendence up, they pressure him if it drops and get him back up. I don't think he's going
    to join the congregation as a publisher, but left on his own he might have. I want to help, but he's got to
    get a backbone- that's what I wanted to say. I am getting one, and many of you have one, so I thought
    I would get good advice here. Thanks.

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