Installment # 6 - Submarine Witnesses and the Lack of Brotherly Love

by AK - Jeff 15 Replies latest jw experiences

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    Hey Jeff, tell us all about Amarillo. Inquiring (nosey) minds want to know.

    In my three years there, I did see similar infighting and power issues - but I had at that point detached myself from any interest in being part of it - that is part of the power structure. I cannot recall a single moment while in Amarillo, that I was interested in 'reaching out', and so my perspective there was different than at home in Indiana.

    I do recall two elders, father and son, the Armstrongs, who wanted to turn the congregation into their personal property. My wife went into business with a 'worldly' lady there for a short time, and they showed up on our porch to accost her regarding that. Another time they came to see if I would give them info on what another elder had said in my presence that could be used against him. Most of the other elders I recall were milquetoast and ready to be run over by these guys. I don't know how it all turned out - except I heard that Daddy Armstrong moved out of town a few years after we did. I imagine the son gained stature there.

    The city in itself was not attractive to me at the time. We lived close to Amarillo Blvd, and the prostitutes on the weekend could be heard yelling and trying to attract johns all night long from many blocks away. They ran regular 'sting' operations to arrest the clients, and published the names in the paper every week. Still, I saw no shortage of willing parties on both sides. Once, after a meeting we all met at Shakey's Pizza on the BLVD. My wife rode there with another Jw family and I joined them a few minutes later. When I exited my car, a very attractive black prostitute from across the street yelled something to me. I just ignored her. I got inside and was waiting in line to order, and this lady of the night came in and stood right behind me. I actually did not notice that it was the same lady at first. After a few minutes in line, my wife came up to me and told me what she wanted me to order. The lady looked offended and stated in a huff 'Oh, so you are with her?' and marched off. If I had been alone, she likely would have followed me to my table. Now that would have been hard to explain to the elders there that night. LOL

    There were a lot of good 'brothers' there [as everywhere]. The rank and file Witnesses were wonderful people and I still love them from afar.

    I can't say I miss it really. But I loved the people that I knew for the most part.

    Jeff

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    The reason Witnesses see the world as terrible . . . is . . . their world is terrible.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    WOW. In previous installments, it was clear that you were a totally assimilated Borg follower.
    You worked "with the brothers." You did the work in the congregation that only the "spiritually
    strong" are allowed to do.
    You would have made a great addition to their elder group. It sounds like you were a great MS
    (as far as MS's are great according to them). If it weren't for the move to Oklahoma, who knows
    how much you could have taken and not become AWOKE? Granted, you weren't AWOKE yet,
    but it was something that helped you later.

    Once you confronted the elders, you were doomed to never make MS again. Of course, you
    realized that it wasn't the prize they said it was. And no matter how much love or lack of love
    there is in a congregation, not being an MS is like, well, like being barely above the position of "sister."

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    Once you confronted the elders, you were doomed to never make MS again.

    Actually, I did make MS again later, as my next segment will show. I actually was voted unanimously to be elder at one point - vetoed by the CO. I will cover that too.

    Jeff

  • zack
    zack

    Jeff:

    I can't tell you how many times I would shake my head in disgust at the things an elder body put into these letters when families would

    move in. I remember one brother who moved in who had served as the PO of his cong. in the Northeast for almost 30 years, raised a family,

    used responsibly at the circuit level. At 62 he was burned out. He was moving to our area with a warmer climate and lower taxes, etc.... and

    had told his body that he would be busy with his move and wouldn't be available for any responsibilities. Well, his house took longer to sell

    than he anticipated and he hung around almost a year "doing nothing." (words directly from the letter) Long story short, they wrote that this man,

    whom we had never laid eyes on, "was a drunk, did not preside over his household in a fine manner (because his wife was in our area and he was still

    looking after the house and working), and was doing nothing in the congregation in the way of helping the other brothers lighten their load of work." They did not recommend him.

    I was appalled, frankly ashamed, that I was even privy to hearing these things about someone I hadn't even met. And when I did meet him and have dinner with him and go in service

    with him and spoke with his wife, what did I learn about him? He was kind, humble, unpretentious, smart as a whip, a great dad and grandfather, a loyal husband.

    He is the kind of man you want as a minister of others. As an elder and a JW all my life I can tell you sincerely, that some of the worst moments of my life were

    spent in elder's meetings. I would go home and feel a huge weight on chest. I'd be stressed. I felt so WRONG about what was done, I felt so ashamed of

    how cavalierly elder's would talk about the pubs., and how they would discuss the details of a person's intimate affairs. I thought it was just human failing. Now I know better.

    It was Satan transforming himself into an angel light. God's spirit is no where to be found in a meeting of a body of Jehovah's Witness elders. I seriously doubt their prayers reach the

    ceiling of their meeting room, let alone heaven.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks Ak-Jeff. Keep 'em coming.

    The life stories on this site really help lurkers (former lurker here) see how "those filthy 'postates" aren't just a bunch of misfit, crackpots who couldn't fit in.

    I hope someday my wife & I can post our stories as well.

    Open Mind

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