Who really was The Great Lawgiver!!

by Gill 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Gill
    Gill

    Following up from a thread I was reading yesterday, there seemed to be a beilef that the Bible was the source of much of the Laws and principles followed and enforced around the world nowadays.

    However, 500 years BEFORE Moses supposedly climbed the mountain and came down with the stone tablets, Hammurabi, the Babylonian King and also know as the 'Great Lawgiver' climbed a 'high place' and came down with a copper scroll and laws from God which still serve a basis of law all over the world. It was Hammurabi who introduced fines for law breaking, instead of the usual barbaric life taking!

    Hammurabi elevated women, who although still not at 'full rights' of men, were allowed to divorce and treated fairly in the law.

    So, the laws of the world are NOT based on the Bible, instead the Israelites attempted to follow the humane example of Hammurabi who really was The Great Lawgiver!

    Oh! And one more little point, while the 'God' of the Israelites gave instructions to poop outside the camps and bury their poop, (which turns out to be really unhealthy) the Babylonians had a sewage system!!!

  • Perry
    Perry

    Hi Gill,

    So are you personally able to follow the LAW?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Interesting differences between the two law codes:

    All Ancient Law Codes were not Created Equal

    Van A. Mobley

    Hammurabi’s “Law Code” and the “Decalogue” are two of the most important documents to survive the Ancient period. On the surface, the two law codes appear quite similar. After all, both purport to provide guidelines for human conduct. Upon closer inspection, however, it is clear the two documents are very different. Whereas Hammurabi’s “Law Code” fails to address how the relationship between individual human beings and God (or the gods) should be structured, instructions concerning how the relationship between human beings and God should be structured are the foremost concern of the “Decalogue.”

    The difference in emphasis between the two documents can be partially explained by the different religious perspectives inherent within them. The references to “Anu,” “Bel,” and “Marduk” make it clear that Hammurabi’s “Law Code” emerged within a polytheistic framework, and nothing within the “Law Code” suggests that polytheism is erroneous.(1) On the other hand, while it is clear that the “Decalogue” also emerged within a polytheistic context, the central message of the “Decalogue” is that polytheism is false. It is clear from various statements that the Author of the “Decalogue” will not countenance polytheism: “I am Yahweh, your God, who brought you from the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery,” (Exodus 20:2) and “There will be no other god for you before me [Yahweh]” (Exodus 20:3).(2) To drive this point home, Yahweh also commands in the “Decalogue” that human beings ought not “make for yourself any idol” or “bow down” to anyone or thing other than the true God.(3) The monotheism of the “Decalogue” stands in stark contrast to the polytheism of Hammurabi’s “Law Code.”

    The two documents also have two very different types of authors. At the beginning of his “Law Code,” Hammurabi claims, “Marduk sent me to rule over men,” thus giving himself a type of divine sanction.(4) But Hammurabi does not claim the “Law Code” he promulgated for the benefit of his subjects was itself of divine origin. Instead, Hammurabi eagerly draws attention to his own wisdom, and claims that he, and no one else, devised the laws.(5) On the other hand, God is identified as the author of the “Decalogue”: “God spoke all these words.”(6) Moses, who carried God’s words to the people, was the messenger who delivered, not the one who was the author of, the “Decalogue.” Thus, whereas Hammurabi’s “Law Code” creates a sort of direct covenant between Hammurabi and his human subjects, the laws of the “Decalogue” create a direct covenant between God and his human subjects.

    Finally, the way in which the two documents are arranged clearly shows the difference in emphasis between them. The first four commandments in the “Decalogue” outline how the relationship between human beings and God should operate. Humans should have no other gods besides God, make no idols, refrain from using God’s name in vain, and “remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.”(7) On the other hand, the first four laws in Hammurabi’s “Law Code” forbid people from attempting to “ensnare” one another (or accusing one another of launching ensnarement efforts), outline the adjudication process that should be followed when individuals accuse one another of evils, and state what should happen to judges if judges decide legal cases erroneously.(8) The arrangement of the “Decalogue” suggests that the most important relationship human beings have is not the relationship they have with other human beings, but instead the relationship they have with God. Intentionally or inadvertently, Hammurabi’s “Law Code” neglects to discuss the relationship between human beings and the polytheistic gods identified in its introduction, and focuses entirely on how humans should conduct themselves vis-Ã -vis other human beings.

    The foremost objective of the “Decalogue” is to provide guidelines for human beings concerning how they ought to conduct themselves in relationship to God. But the focus in the “Decalogue”on the relationship between God and human beings does not prevent it from outlining how human beings should arrange their relationships with one another.(9) Instead, the arrangement of the “Decalogue” seems to suggest that if the relationship between human beings and God is in order, the relationships among human beings will be in order as well. Such a profound concept is not present in Hammurabi’s “Law Code.” Not surprisingly, it is easy for someone familiar with the basic tenets of Christianity to identify the striking differences between Hammurabi’s “Law Code” and the “Decalogue.”

  • Anti-Christ
    Anti-Christ

    Great stuff Gill. I found a interesting museum web site. You can look at the monolith inscription of the law with a magnefing glass fonction. Very cool.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Perry

    Good post!

    Gill

    Looks like you're trying to say the bible has had no impact on our legal system, just because of Hammurabi. You have to admit, the bible has affected our morals far more than Hammurabi. Don't you think both had a part?

  • Anti-Christ
    Anti-Christ

    I'm not sure but I think Gill was just pointing out that Hammurabi's law could have influenced the mosaic law because it was before Moses and the two stories are similar.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    A-C

    Gill said

    So, the laws of the world are NOT based on the Bible,
  • Gill
    Gill

    The laws of the 'world' are based on Hammurabi's Laws. He is known as 'The Great Law Giver'. His laws came 500 years BEFORE Moses' Laws and were no doubt the influence for those laws. Since the one came 500 years BEFORE the other, the Bible law is modelled on the Laws set down by Hammurabi.

    Both Hammurabi and Moses went to 'High Places' to get their laws, the difference being that one went 500 years BEFORE the other.

    The story of Adam and Eve and even the the story of the Flood are based on ancient Mesopotamian stories.

    Why do Christians gets so overly defensive over basic historical facts?

  • Gill
    Gill

    In one answer to Perry, the Jews were claiming to be God's chosen people. They were claiming to be Special. Therefore, they were going to say that GOD gave THEM these special laws. They were claiming a divine inspiration so of course they were going to say that GOD gave Moses the laws and they were from God, because they, the Israelites were 'special' and could commit whatever genocide was necessary at the time to clear the land they claimed was promised to them by God.

    Hammurabi was not claiming to be special.

    However, his laws were special in that they spelt out new precedents of civilised behaviour in very uncivilised times.

    Basically, the laws were good laws. Therefore, they were copied the world over and continue to be to this day.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    Regarding the accounts of Hammurabi and Moses going into a high place to gather God’s Law, I think there are two issues that should be kept apart: the “process” of bringing the Law down and the “content” of the Law.

    The Bible writers did not operate in a vacuum. Each writer was a product of their own times; they reflected their own culture. Each wrote for a specific local purpose.

    The writer who described how Moses received the Law from God was probably aware of the story that told how Hammurabi climbed a 'high place' and came down with laws from God. If so, the people would have been equally aware, thus allowing the writer to build on their knowledge, and turn their minds to his True God.

    One would expect the contents of each set of Laws would be different, given the polytheistic worship that the Hebrew writer was trying to make the people drop. There are few monotheistic religions: three that owe their origins to Abram, Jews, Christians and Moslems, which were preceded by the Iranian religion of Zoroaster. So one should not be surprised to see similarities from that earlier source, which the Hebrew writer could draw on, rather than drawing on Hammurabi.

    One should be very conscious of the role played by the Jerusalem priests during the compilation of the Scriptures during the 6th century Babylonian oppression and captivity. The priests had agendas as they combined their sources for the Law of Moses and other writings. Hence their discovery of the Law at an appropriate time during Josiah’s reign.

    For example, they placed the prohibition on the contemporary practice of cutting flesh from a living animal and eating it while it still dripped with blood by placing the prohibition at a point in history that was common to them all: the story of the Flood. Their opponents would have understood their intention, since they too had a story of a universal flood.

    Matthew’s Gospel provides examples where a known story is taken and is then molded into a later setting, such where Matthew collects similar sayings and forms them into the Law delivered by Jesus from the Mount.

    Doug

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