NYTimes Editorial Today on Global Climate Change - More Evidence

by Seeker4 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/08/opinion/08sun1.html?th&emc=th

    OK. I've been on here this weekend presenting evidence about this issue. Here's a bit more fodder for the discussion.

    S4

  • Bstndance
    Bstndance

    NYT opinion pages are not well balanced sources. Dallas got their first April snow in over 60 years this weekend, damn global warming is bringing about all these winter storms. ;-)

  • Frank75
    Frank75

    Here is a National Post (Canadian business paper) Article to counter the NY Times article cited.

    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=156df7e6-d490-41c9-8b1f-106fef8763c6&k=0

    Also there are links in the article to 10 other articles on Global Warming Hysteria. Do some reading and stop adding fuel to the fire. That causes CO2 you know!

    The series
    Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
    Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
    The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part IIIPolar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
    The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
    The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
    Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
    The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
    Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
    Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X

    Frank75

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    The Canadian National Post "business paper" article Frank75 posted to "counter" the NYT article, says the following:

    " Even research from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change-- the United Nations agency that heads the worldwide effort to combat global warming -- is bereft of anything here inspiring confidence. In fact, according to the IPCC's own findings, man's role is so uncertain that there is a strong possibility that we have been cooling, not warming, the Earth."

    But I just posted on another thread a quote from the 2007 IPCC report showing that it has a confidence level of 90% that man's activity is warming the earth. That is up some, but not very much, from their last report.

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER
    Dallas got their first April snow in over 60 years this weekend, damn global warming is bringing about all these winter storms. ;-)

    Educating yourself in the effects of global warming would help in this discussion.

    Global warming will bring about extremes in weather....We broke the all time record for cold temps in April, where I live in the South. We've had 80 degree days for about a month...also breaking records.

    Swalker

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  • Bstndance
    Bstndance

    Global Warming is the new Y2K. If people were really concerned about Global Warming they would stop buying cheap Chinese goods. I believe I heard on NPR last week that by 2010 China's pollution will be more than the US. China has stated that is not in their interest to control pollution.

  • Frank75
    Frank75
    But I just posted on another thread a quote from the 2007 IPCC report showing that it has a confidence level of 90% that man's activity is warming the earth. That is up some, but not very much, from their last report.

    6of9

    If you read the IPCC summary statement for policy makers 2007, it becomes perfectly clear that the 90% figure comes out of thin air. It is the SUBJECTIVE opinion of the authors of the report. The process through which this subjective opinion was arrived at is not mentioned.

    Surely you of all people can see the WT style slight of hand. There may very well be "90% consensus" on the cause being from "human activity". The slight of hand is two fold, first not all scientists were allowed to participate in this political process therefore rendering such a statement as totally unscientific even biased, 2nd that saying human activity is the consensus in no way fingers CO2 emissions or singles it out. As I mentioned one IPCC contributor (Christy) dismisses entirely the GHG argument but believes it is Anthropogenic land use, agriculture, irrigation etc that is mostly to blame

    The whole IPCC process is about as objective as Figure Skate judging.

    I give the IPCC report a 4.9!

    Frank75

  • Frank75
    Frank75

    Educating yourself in the effects of global warming would help in this discussion.

    Global warming will bring about extremes in weather....We broke the all time record for cold temps in April, where I live in the South. We've had 80 degree days for about a month...also breaking records.

    SWALKER

    That is just not true. You need to read the comments by Hurrican expert Christopher Landsea of the Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory. A contributing author for the UN's International Panel on Climate Change here:

    Or the likes of Christy et al. 2007

    Frank75

  • P&C
    P&C
    Global warming will bring about extremes in weather....

    Actually it's the opposite... When the planet is in a warm phase... as it's often done throughout history...the weather is MUCH MORE STABLE...

    It's the Cool Phases...that bring on the harshest weather patterns.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/29/131501/1.ashx

    P&C

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER

    I wonder how long it's going to take for us to agree on anything regarding GW? We can all find sources that support our views but I'd like for it to be more definitive than that. Until it is, I guess we're just going to keep tossing this ball around!

    Swalker

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