Bill Cosby's moral authority....

by UnConfused 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • EnlightenedMind
    EnlightenedMind

    I agree SirNose. Case in point:

    My undergrad degree is in Social Work, and for my internship, I had to counsel kids with behavioral problems at school. One kid was a black teenage male who was getting ready to graduate high school. When I asked him how he felt about it, he told me that he was depressed about it because now he wouldn't have anything to do except hang out on the corner.

    He actually said this to me, and he was actually serious. It broke my heart.

    It wasn't that he was just choosing not make something of his life; he didn't even understand that he had options.

    People are products of their environments, and for people like this kid, they have a skewed sense of reality because it's based on whatever they see on television. We have to shield our kids from negative influences, and make sure that they have positive role models in their lives if the cycle is ever going to be broken. Unfortunately, these are the kids who grow up to have kids of their own and perpetuate the cycle, so intervention is usually needed from outside sources.

    I grew up poor, and I am thankful to my JW parents for at least shielding me from stuff like rap music and drugs. Although they discouraged me from going to college, I went to a magnet high school where the atmosphere wasn't "are you going to university" but "which university are you going to?" I credit that with my decision to go to college, and that's why I believe so strongly in making sure that we provide the right environment for our kids.

    You're right: they're not going to get the right message from most mainstream rappers and athletes, and unfortunately, probably not their parents either because that's usually where the problem originated. That's why positive black people need to be visible and vocal so that our kids can see them and realize that there are more options than what they see in rap videos.

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586
    That's why positive black people need to be visible and vocal so that our kids can see them and realize that there are more options than what they see in rap videos.

    I agree. I always had this secret dream of becoming famous and a role model...it was secret goal; naïve, I'm sure...but I always wanted to fill out the bubble "African-American/Black" on those tests. I didn't want to be another statistic. I wished that you could see an artist's rendering of my face on those "Black History Month" handouts they give to kids. That would be me: famous, black, and another person for bored kids to roll their eyes over, and sigh over, saying, "Man! They always trot out Martin Luther King Jr., Colin Powell, Oprah, and Sir Nose for us to read about every February!"

  • Confession
    Confession
    One kid was a black teenage male who was getting ready to graduate high school. When I asked him how he felt about it, he told me that he was depressed about it because now he wouldn't have anything to do except hang out on the corner.

    It wasn't that he was just choosing not make something of his life; he didn't even understand that he had options.

    I've seen this too, and it also breaks my heart. On the weekends, I work for a company that teaches families about the college preparation and financial aid process. They send me to a different U.S. city every weekend, and I'd say somewhere close to one third of the families I sit with are African-American. With some children and their parents, while attending to learn more about education, it's impossible not to see a look of hopelessness in their eyes. Example...

    I'm in Columbia, South Carolina, sitting with an 11th grade African-American girl and her single mother. The mother makes less than $10,000 per year; the girl has a 3.9 grade point average. I ask the girl if she has any questions, and she says with wide eyes, "Yes sir, I have a question. Do you think I could really go to college?"

    My heart melts when this happens. I tell her of course she can go to college. I tell her if she can combine her outstanding GPA with a good SAT or ACT score--and a decent college resume--she can very possibly go to a very nice college. With the financial need her mother is in, she will probably have no Expected Family Contribution, and it will just be a matter of researching the financial aid policies of a variety of college options and finding which ones are likely to give her the greatest amount of Gift Aid as opposed to Self Aid.

    This is the message I think more people need to hear: when it comes to college, a lot of financial need can be a GOOD thing. Don't let poverty keep you from pursuing an education, when there is so much help available.

  • talley
    talley

    Cosby is saying the very same things as Walter E. Williams, just in a different way.

    Walter E. Williams, a black economist, has set five rules for black economic success:

    1) Finish high school

    2) Get a job - any job, and do a good job.

    3) Do not have babies before marriage.

    4) Get married.

    5) Stay married.

    W.E.Wms. maintains there is a cascade effect in following these rules that will produce economic and social success for those that follow these rules.

    As for the "level playing field": first one has to even recognize that there is a playing field, get one's self to the field, and then WANT to play. And in wanting to play, learing the game and the rules of the game and making one's self eligible to play.

    http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles.html

    talley/Judy

  • UnConfused
    UnConfused

    Confession - where are the black leaders who are truly expounding this message? And honestly where are the guidance counselors in her school? Perhaps she hasn't gotten to talk to them yet?

    I hope you changed her life and those of her friends as they see her go to college and enjoy some career.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Another interesting piece by Washington Post black columnist William Raspberry:

    Why Our Black Families Are Failing

    By William Raspberry

    Monday, July 25, 2005; Page A19

    "There is a crisis of unprecedented magnitude in the black community, one that goes to the very heart of its survival. The black family is failing."

    Quibble if you will about the "unprecedented magnitude" -- slavery wasn't exactly a high point of African American well-being. But there's no quarreling with the essence of the alarm sounded here last week by a gathering of Pentecostal clergy and the Seymour Institute for Advanced Christian Studies. What is happening to the black family in America is the sociological equivalent of global warming: easier to document than to reverse, inconsistent in its near-term effect -- and disastrous in the long run.

    Father absence is the bane of the black community, predisposing its children (boys especially, but increasingly girls as well) to school failure, criminal behavior and economic hardship, and to an intergenerational repetition of the grim cycle. The culprit, the ministers (led by the Rev. Eugene Rivers III of Boston, president of the Seymour Institute) agreed, is the decline of marriage.

    Kenneth B. Johnson, a Seymour senior fellow who has worked in youth programs, says he often sees teenagers "who've never seen a wedding."

    The concern is not new. As Rivers noted at last week's National Press Club news conference, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the alarm 40 years ago, only to be "condemned and pilloried as misinformed, malevolent and even racist."

    What is new is the understanding of how deep and wide is the reach of declining marriage -- and the still-forming determination to do something about it.

    When Moynihan issued his controversial study, roughly a quarter of black babies were born out of wedlock; moreover, it was largely a low-income phenomenon. The proportion now tops two-thirds, with little prospect of significant decline, and has moved up the socioeconomic scale.

    There have been two main explanations. At the low-income end, the disproportionate incarceration, unemployment and early death of black men make them unavailable for marriage. At the upper-income level, it is the fact that black women are far likelier than black men to complete high school, attend college and earn the professional credentials that would render them "eligible" for marriage.

    Both explanations are true. But black men aren't born incarcerated, crime-prone dropouts. What principally renders them vulnerable to such a plight is the absence of fathers and their stabilizing influence.

    Fatherless boys (as a general rule) become ineligible to be husbands -- though no less likely to become fathers -- and their children fall into the patterns that render them ineligible to be husbands.

    The absence of fathers means, as well, that girls lack both a pattern against which to measure the boys who pursue them and an example of sacrificial love between a man and a woman. As the ministers were at pains to say last week, it isn't the incompetence of mothers that is at issue but the absence of half of the adult support needed for families to be most effective.

    Interestingly, they blamed the black church for abetting the decline of the black family -- by moderating virtually out of existence its once stern sanctions against extramarital sex and childbirth and by accepting the present trends as more or less inevitable.

    They didn't say -- but might have -- that black America's almost reflexive search for outside explanations for our internal problems delayed the introspective examination that might have slowed the trend. What we have now is a changed culture -- a culture whose worst aspects are reinforced by oversexualized popular entertainment and that places a reduced value on the things that produced nearly a century of socioeconomic improvement. For the first time since slavery, it is no longer possible to say with assurance that things are getting better.

    As the Rev. Jesse Jackson said in a slightly different context, "What began as a problem has deteriorated into a condition. Problems require solving; conditions require healing."

    How to start the healing? Rivers and his colleagues hope to use their personal influence, a series of marriage forums and their well-produced booklet, "God's Gift: A Christian Vision of Marriage and the Black Family," to launch a serious, national discussion and action program.

    In truth, though, the situation is so critical -- and its elements so interconnected and self-perpetuating -- that there is no wrong place to begin. When you find yourself in this sort of a hole, someone once said, the first thing to do is stop digging.

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  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    In an interesting paradox, Raspberry points out that when white sociologist Daniel P. Moynihan wrote up his research, he was vilified for the inescapable conclusions he reached about the direction of the black family.

    Clearly, whether it is "nappy-headed" or "we shall overcome," the words can only be delivered by a black in order to be acceptable.

    Unfortunately, for every Cosby, Williams, Steele or Raspberry stepping up to state the obvious, there are a thousand rappers or wannabe rappers and Al Sharpton, spewing out destructive crap.

  • UnConfused
    UnConfused

    Let the rappers live as far as I'm concerned, but please let there be real black leaders also. Then blacks and whites can can see and sense a real direction for those black youths who would not just want to be trapped in ghetto mindsets.

    Right now the only ones out there are just overplaying the race card without anything else in their hand - and/or - aren't aligned closely enough with current trends so they are veiwed as Uncle Tom's and not taken seriously.

    The Jackson / Sharpton trend of blaming the Jew has really gotten too little attention in my opinion

  • bigmouth
    bigmouth

    The Jackson / Sharpton trend of blaming the Jew has really gotten too little attention in my opinion.

    This is interesting UnConfused. Can you post more information?

  • free2beme
    free2beme

    Sorry, but I like Bill Cosby. I think he says a lot of true things, people do not want to hear.

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